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    Quote Originally Posted by Xno Kappa View Post
    At least Deadpool proved you can make a good, profitable, rated R version of these kind of movies so there's that. If anything, it being unrelated to the MCU Spiderman is all the more incentive to go balls to the wall rated R. As it won't taint their precious family friendly neighborhood spiderman.
    No connection to Spidey will hurt this. Venom in his own pocket universe isn't really that appealing.

    We've seen this before with stuff like Catwoman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronin sparthos View Post
    We've seen this before with stuff like Catwoman.
    Only if they treat it like a horror movie. For some reason when I think of it as a standalone film, I can't help but think of Species. Guy goes into space. Brings back goo. Goo takes over space guy. People die. Guy fights goo. Goo splits into good and bad. Bad goo takes over random conveniently placed bad guy. Good goo guy fights bad goo guy. Good goo guy wins. Little bit of bad goo escapes. Queue the sequel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirronimus View Post
    Only if they treat it like a horror movie. For some reason when I think of it as a standalone film, I can't help but think of Species. Guy goes into space. Brings back goo. Goo takes over space guy. People die. Guy fights goo. Goo splits into good and bad. Bad goo takes over random conveniently placed bad guy. Good goo guy fights bad goo guy. Good goo guy wins. Little bit of bad goo escapes. Queue the sequel.
    Isn't that what happened in Spiderman 3 minus the going into space part?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirronimus View Post
    Only if they treat it like a horror movie. For some reason when I think of it as a standalone film, I can't help but think of Species. Guy goes into space. Brings back goo. Goo takes over space guy. People die. Guy fights goo. Goo splits into good and bad. Bad goo takes over random conveniently placed bad guy. Good goo guy fights bad goo guy. Good goo guy wins. Little bit of bad goo escapes. Queue the sequel.
    And this sounds awful. Awful because it's a movie we've seen before except the edgy R rating means they can up the violence without making the plot any good. But the symbiotes lend themselves to that genre, since all the wisecracking reserved for Spider-Man would be nonexistent in this universe and they're scary looking alien parasites.

    If this is going to be Venom and Carnage, I have no doubt they're gonna go the horror route to utilize that R, with Venom being the better of the two evils.

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    I was actually gonna ask if this is till gonna be Venom AND Carnage at all? Signs are pointing at just Venom.

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    Venom without Spider-man is not Venom. When symbiote merged with Spider-Man, not only did the symbiote adopt the spider powers, he also, adopted splayed spider logo on chest and back. Without Spider-Man in the mix, it's not going to be the same character, even from a pure aesthetic perspective. It'll just be a a dude covered in crude oil. Calling it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirronimus View Post
    If the R rating gets green light on Deadpool and the movie makes decent enough profit, there's a chance they'll make this work the right way. On the other hand this means the company will have to forgo the profit that comes from audience that attends PG-13 movies, namely the kids.
    With that being said, it's going to be a hard sell.

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    The current Carnage book is a great example of the symbiote's without Spidey around.

    edit: also, just because they aren't related, doesn't mean they won't mention anything about Spiderman or where the symbiote came from either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noblemountain View Post

    edit: also, just because they aren't related, doesn't mean they won't mention anything about Spiderman or where the symbiote came from either.
    If they're even allowed to. Don't know the details of the marvel/sony spidey deal, but odds are theyd have to keep him completely unmentioned in a non MCU related movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noblemountain View Post
    The current Carnage book is a great example of the symbiote's without Spidey around.

    edit: also, just because they aren't related, doesn't mean they won't mention anything about Spiderman or where the symbiote came from either.
    Great example as in terrible or good? Legit question sorry lol.

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    Considering Sony owns Spiderman I doubt it works like that. It's probably the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noblemountain View Post
    The current Carnage book is a great example of the symbiote's without Spidey around.

    edit: also, just because they aren't related, doesn't mean they won't mention anything about Spiderman or where the symbiote came from either.
    Carnage never had a spider motif on his suit, Venom did.

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    I just hope to see a truly fucked up version of Carnage.

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    is carnage still a good guy that accidentally keeps killing people in the comics or did they fix that after Axis?

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    Right now he has his own title. It's a mix of traditional and Lovecraftian horror with him as the primary antagonist and John Jameson and Eddie Brock (as Man-Wolf and Toxin) hunting him down as he super-murders people.

    No explanation of how he survived Axis that I'm aware of.

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