Dick Cheney Recieves Heart Transplant at 71

[kuronosan]

You're retarded. 5 heart attacks come from nowhere all the fucking time.

Wat

[Sera]

[Sera]

[Qalbert]

[Kurokikaze]

Oh god thats fucking gold. rofl

[Sera]

hahahahahaha

[Zilong]

http://kamikazeegirl.files.wordpress...pg?w=255&h=300

[Khamsin]

Article about "multiple listing." It is a thing (IMO an unethical thing) and rich people do it. Even rich people I like.

Why is "multiple listing" in quotes? There really are multiple lists, and you can sign up on all of them. There's no rules against it.

As far as ethics of people who register on multiple lists are concerned, I don't think a single one of them give a damn about the ethics of registering on multiple lists when they're going to die without a new organ. I'd rather live with my unethical behavior in procuring a new organ for myself (short of hiring henchmen to "procure" an organ for me and having my personal surgeon stick it in), than die knowing I was ethical and only signed up on one list and made sure nobody more worthy took it before me.

Ethics of the board that decides who gets what are a different matter.

[Bregor]

I would say five heart attacks and him being overweight still shows he doesn't do much to care for his own health.

His "shocking weight loss" comes from being extremely unhealthy

[kuronosan]

That's what you're going to nit pick? Notwithstanding that you are technically right, a person can still lose weight and be overweight. You know, much like you can drink a glass of water and still be thirsty or eat a meal and still be hungry.

[Bregor]

I'm nitpicking because people are assuming a lot about Dick Cheney's health and candidacy for a transplant when they can't even keep their reasoning straight. And as I said before:

I think what most people are dancing around is that they really don't like Dick Cheney personally and are trying to justify their umad at him being given a heart transplant.

[Sera]

lol.

Five heart attacks and you're focusing on the weight loss from being ill? Yes, your argument is extremely solid, please tell me more!

[Bregor]

Five heart attacks and you're focusing on the weight loss from being ill? Yes, your argument is extremely solid, please tell me more!

I'm focusing on people (not just you) with no medical background or intimate knowledge of Dick Cheney's health up in arms because the man received a heart transplant that he needed to stay alive. He didn't buy it from the black market, he didn't steal it from a strapping young father of four, he put his name on a list and waited over a year and a half, and his number was up.

Deal with it.

[Sera]

Deal with it.

Derp, obviously since the heart is already in there, i'll have to. And you actually don't know who he "stole" it from. It might have been a young father of four waiting behind him. Hope Dick enjoys that last 5 or so years. Maybe he can have a few more heart attacks.

[zoobernut]

Sera you are making a lot of assumptions in this thread about Cheney that you have no idea about. We don't know for sure what his overall health was like beyond his heart, we don't know the exact circumstances on why he was chosen as a candidate to receive the particular heart he did, we don't know why he started having heart attacks at 35 (it could easily be a defect coupled with unhealthy living). You can't exactly be outraged at him getting the heart and claim your outrage is because he received special treatment when you don't know the answers to those questions because without answers to those questions you have no way of knowing that he actually received special treatment.

There are so many more factors that go into choosing who receives a particular heart than just their number on the list. As well as the fact that you are ignoring what was discussed earlier where anyone can get onto as many transplant lists as they want provided that they can travel all over the country at the drop of a hat. Yes that does kind of create an unbalance where someone with a lot of money has a higher chance of getting a transplant but on each individual list they receive no special treatment.

Or you could just admit you hate Cheney's politics and don't want him to get a transplant because you don't like him and be done with it.

[Chun Liroy]

I know nothing about cheney or really how the heart transplant list works (at least intimately), but I'm fairly sure that we kinda have a shortage on hearts and I'm not so sure a 71 year old should be getting more over most of the other people on the list, regardless of healthiness.

[zoobernut]

I know nothing about cheney or really how the heart transplant list works (at least intimately), but I'm fairly sure that we kinda have a shortage on hearts and I'm not so sure a 71 year old should be getting more over most of the other people on the list, regardless of healthiness.

But you are ignoring the fact that when deciding who gets a heart it isn't just about the order of people on the list or where they are compatibility and availability are two very big parts of the equation. What if on the list that Cheney was on there were only two people who could receive the heart he did, Cheney and one other person, this could be do to all sorts of factors like blood type and other protein markers (I don't know the exact science of figuring out compatible transplants). What if Cheney happened to be available when the heart popped up right away but the other person happened to be out of town visiting relatives and couldn't get into the hospital for like 2 hours. What if the heart in question had already been on ice/life support whatever for several hours and was about to go bad? Organs used for transplant don't last that long.

The point is that no one knows exactly all these specifics and until we do there is no grounds for outrage beyond just your personal hatred for Cheney.

[Sera]

I know nothing about cheney or really how the heart transplant list works (at least intimately), but I'm fairly sure that we kinda have a shortage on hearts and I'm not so sure a 71 year old should be getting more over most of the other people on the list, regardless of healthiness.

This.

He also has five documented heart attacks. But yeah, he's probably TOTALLY healthy. Heart attacks don't involve the irreversible death of cardiac tissue because the tissue didn't get oxygenated blood because the vessels were blocked by residue or anything. I'm sure all that residue blocking his vessels was from his TOTALLY HEALTHY LIFESTYLE.

You're right guys, what was I thinking? This is totally about politics.

[zoobernut]

This.

He also has five documented heart attacks. But yeah, he's probably TOTALLY healthy. Heart attacks don't involve the irreversible death of cardiac tissue because the tissue didn't get oxygenated blood because the vessels were blocked by residue or anything. I'm sure all that residue blocking his vessels was from his TOTALLY HEALTHY LIFESTYLE.

You're right guys, what was I thinking? This is totally about politics.

Way to completely dodge everything I said and continue with the same tired argument that is completely irrelevant to why he did or did not get a transplant, he was already on the list. They determined that he was healthy enough to be on the list.

Maybe you should be arguing that he shouldn't have even been allowed to be on the list rather than arguing someone else should have gotten the heart he did. That would at least make a little bit of sense.

[Sera]

They determined that he was healthy enough to be on the list.

Maybe you should be arguing that he shouldn't have even been allowed to be on the list rather than arguing someone else should have gotten the heart he did. That would at least make a little bit of sense.

Okay, I'll give you that. I think his privilege and station had something to do with that. There.