Man hit by car, news @ 11

[Gadritan]

I did mention earlier I think that sometimes shit like this happens based off age rather than race. Beyond that, I think the statistics speak for themselves. Comparing two incidents as if that is the only data is kind of silly.

As silly as assuming it was race in your friends case. Seriously. You only know what some high school kid told you happened. That's aside from the fact that you're saying anecdotal evidence is useless right after providing it.

[Ashmada]

While the cops were criminially irresponsible and hopefully will spend a long time behind bars, it is pretty fallacious (and indeed racist in itself) to presume racial motivations with no evidence to corroborate said presumption.

Tangent: What's the english equivalent of "procès d'intentions"? I know "trial of intentions" isn't a saying, so I wonder, is there even an equivalent?

[Eurell]

Statistics don't mean anything when we are talking about this one individual case either.

27 year old guy putting pavers in his car at 5:30 in the morning, and then ran as soon as he saw police show up. How is that not suspicious to everyone?

[Dimmauk]

A cop friend said white people almost never run, Hispanics hide, and black people always run. He said one time this fat black dude with saggy tight jeans tried to run, he ran after him, caught up to him and was running shoulder to shoulder. He looked over at the black guy and said, "Are we done running yet?" Black guy looked at him, stopped running, sighed, and said yeah.

[Nephlite]

Statistics don't mean anything when we are talking about this one individual case either.

27 year old guy putting pavers in his car at 5:30 in the morning, and then ran as soon as he saw police show up. How is that not suspicious to everyone?

It's not when people live in a fantasy world where no one is a criminal and no one believes that proactive policing is a good thing. They would rather stuff happen and people respond to clean up bodies than prevent crime.

Stuff like this happens all the time. Doesn't matter if you're white/black/asian, etc. The only reason this gained so much momentum is because racial tensions are already high and someone is coat-tailing off the publicity to make the issue more than what it is.

Hell even Travon Martin's parents explicitly said they did not want support from the NAACP (initially) and the whole thing was thrown on to their lap. They got a high powered lawyer, thousands in donations, and the support of thousands of activists from various groups like the Neo Black Panthers and what did they do? Fired the lawyer, gave the donations back, and quietly withdrew support from most organizations because they didn't want this to turn in to a zealot rabble intent on turning it in to a black on white or white on black racial issue and just wanted justice.

Sure this whole thing sounds a bit ridiculous when you read it, but where's the follow-up to what color the officers were? Was there a problem with people stealing stuff in that area? This also reminds me I need to do an NCIC query on the deceased (unless someone already did and i'm not finding the article). Where's the toxicology report? Where's the pictures/video? Who are the witnesses?

I'm not the type of person who's too blind to see that there is racism and horrible stuff going on the world, but i'm also trained as a police officer to see the bigger picture. I'll be the first to say that some cops are the worst scum in the world, but 95% of them mean well and are just trying to do what everyone else in the world does: survive till you get old and die sitting on your porch sipping a cool one. I need to see proof. I need video of the person standing there screaming "Die Nigger" and holding the rope before I can say it's racism. I need to see the forensics report that says the officer intentionally ran his squad in to the perp to stop him. I need to see it all.

I would encourage people to do the same before they make assumptions. But all it really comes down to is this train of thought of "Headline Brainwashing" (my Captain said it's what the media does to encourage activism in America by making the headlines sound more serious then the actual article) and then it comes down to this shotgun discipline which every cop in every jurisdiction all around the world is racist and scum regardless of orientation or ability just because one officer fucked it all up.

[Dimmauk]

Aren't all police officers white?

[Xno Kappa]

There's nothing in this case I've read so far that leads me to assume racial profiling was involved.

- Cops see an individual grabbing paving stones at 5:30 AM.
- Cops are unaware whether Seaview Houses may or may not be throwing them away.
- Cops ask the individual what's he doing, said individual takes off like Usain Bolt.

Running from the cops only escalates the situation, plain and simple. The cops should be reprimanded for sucking at common tactics, but to claim racism also is a huge stretch in this case. Only justification I've seen in this thread so far is "hurr durr some cops are racist and the guy was black!"

[Chun Liroy]

hey, that's racial profiling if you compare him to usain bolt. Racist Hirokei

[AidenCarby]

Aren't all police officers white?

PROFILING BAD DIMMY

[Gadritan]

[chiyio]

Just the fact that the report said he threw himself at the car should be enough for somebody to lose their job for this. I get it was probably an accident, and he shouldn't have run, but it looks pretty plain to me that they knowingly lied in the report.

Everything else aside, isn't that a real problem? I haven 't seen any of the officers here address that yet and I'd like to hear their take on that part of it.

[Dimmauk]

How fast was he running to put that big of a dent in the car?

[Gadritan]

19.7 mph at a 43 degree angle. Of course, it's all based on the angle of the dangle to the right triangle.

Spoiler: show

[Nephlite]

How fast was he running to put that big of a dent in the car?

Probably not fast if you consider the squad was probably also moving. The impact would suggest the car cut him off and he ran in to it, with the way the wheels are turned the officer probably turned in to him to cut him off but either misjudged the distance and hit him or the guy was really fucking moving and hit it dead on without even looking.

This is why cop drama shows are bad. You see people do this on TV when they hit a person with their car but it's a really dangerous maneuver (which is why our department doesn't teach it). So many things can go wrong: subject trips and you run him over, you run someone else over, you hit something, they hit something, etc. Too many factors to teach it safely and there's no way to practice it without getting someone killed.

Just the fact that the report said he threw himself at the car should be enough for somebody to lose their job for this. I get it was probably an accident, and he shouldn't have run, but it looks pretty plain to me that they knowingly lied in the report.

Everything else aside, isn't that a real problem? I haven 't seen any of the officers here address that yet and I'd like to hear their take on that part of it.

How is it plain to see that they lied in the report? What's a good way to articulate that you went to cut them off and they ran in to your car? How do we know that's not what happened and we believe a so called "witnesses" (obviously embellished) version of what actually happened from a newspaper article published from a source that's not exactly known for telling the truth?

I also love the supporting group.

Quoted from page 1:

Speakers include relatives and friends of victims of police violence, including Danette Chavis, Laverne Dobbinson, Jennifer Gonzalez and Constance Malcolm, plus New York City educator and ISO member Brian Jones.

3 out of the 5 are felons.

[AidenCarby]

On a more important note, who the fuck buys rocks? Scrap metal I can understand but rocks?

[chiyio]

"Police reported that Tamon ran at the car and threw himself onto the hood" Really?? you think that articulates it? You think he was just running at the car, instead of running and the car either turned into him, or right in front of him?

I get it's all semantics, but it just seems dishonest.

Lets say I'm out running, and a car cuts right in front of me and I run into it and I'm injured. The police come, and the guy driving the car tells them "he ran at the car and threw himself onto the hood!". Am I going to think that articulates what happened? I'm going to think he's trying to avoid responsibility.

[Nephlite]

"Police reported that Tamon ran at the car and threw himself onto the hood" Really?? you think that articulates it? You think he was just running at the car, instead of running and the car either turned into him, or right in front of him?

I get it's all semantics, but it just seems dishonest.

Lets say I'm out running, and a car cuts right in front of me and I run into it and I'm injured. The police come, and the guy driving the car tells them "he ran at the car and threw himself onto the hood!". Am I going to think that articulates what happened? I'm going to think he's trying to avoid responsibility.

Well the problem is that just about every cop has seen this scenario so it's not impossible for you to believe them, but yes you will remain skeptical. I've seen pedestrian accidents where the guy gets smashed by an oncoming car and he thinks he's getting a payday. CCTV on the building across the road shows he waited for the car to hit the intersection then he JUMPED out in to the road and landed on the hood of the car. Charged him with filing a false report and held him in Psychiatric care for 6 months for attempted suicide.

I'll never forget I took a report some years back for a pedestrian accident. Poor older woman driving an SUV hit a pedestrian and she was so messed up mentally, she had to go to the hospital. She thought she killed the girl (pedestrian must've been 20something). But after she went to the hospital and I started the investigation, several people told me that the girl was on the corner, flagged a cab down, cab pulled over on the other side of the road so without even looking, she runs out in to the street full tilt and runs smack in to the SIDE of the SUV. SUV had the green light and everything. Girl hits the SUV, stumbles backwards, and knocks herself out when she hits the pavement. There was a traffic cam owned by the city that watches that intersection and sure enough, video shows the whole thing. In the end, older woman doesn't get in trouble, younger woman gets a ticket for jaywalking and causing an accident, and all was well.

Could I have arrested the driver? Of course. Hit a pedestrian in the District of Columbia? Most likely jail time. Did I believe the call when it came out or did I believe the witnesses immediately when they told me what happened? Of course not. But did I check every source and exhaust every option till there was nothing left to follow up on and reasonably had to believe the only option left, however improbable, must be the only option? Of course. Good police work, keeping an open mind, looking at the situation from every angle, and covering all your basis is the epitome of a good investigator and just plain the right thing to do.

[BaneTheBrawler]

On a more important note, who the fuck buys rocks? Scrap metal I can understand but rocks?

Landscaping, etc

[Correction]

Aren't all police officers white?

But don't let it be a black and a white one
Cuz they slam ya down to the street top
Black police showin out for the white cop

[archibaldcrane]

How is it plain to see that they lied in the report?

You realized he died right - you think he died from running into a car on foot?

He died dude.