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    Two noble ranking swordsmen trainees basically started bending the rules and began to order their juniors to do #MeToo things like naked massages. One girl finally cracked to Kirito's junior, who went on to tell them, which led to a brief confrontation for them to stop their shit. Nobles don't get the message and instead capture and bind their students. Fast forward to Eugeo coming in and questioning the two as they're getting drunk/high and they lead them into the bedroom where the girls are. They start waxing about how their rank lets them do things commoners can't and proceed to start molesting/stripping the girls in front of Eugeo, who can't move presumably because of the noble order and the world's programming. His eye starts spazzing again when he tries to resist it like when they took Alice, but this time he manages to overcome it. Of course, said eye explodes in his head while he cuts off the arm of one of the nobles. Everyone just starts freaking out while the other noble gets his sword. Eugeo's still in shock about what he just did, so when he was about to get killed, Kirito jumps in and chops off the other noble's arms, eventually leading to a spazzy/glitchy death and them getting observed like Alice did when she crossed the border.

    To be honest, the presentation had me waffling between feeling icky and wanting to laugh my ass off. Then I started thinking about Goblin Slayer and how some people that reee'd against that will probably be okay with this because it's SAO and thus somehow justified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arus2001 View Post
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    Two noble ranking swordsmen trainees basically started bending the rules and began to order their juniors to do #MeToo things like naked massages. One girl finally cracked to Kirito's junior, who went on to tell them, which led to a brief confrontation for them to stop their shit. Nobles don't get the message and instead capture and bind their students. Fast forward to Eugeo coming in and questioning the two as they're getting drunk/high and they lead them into the bedroom where the girls are. They start waxing about how their rank lets them do things commoners can't and proceed to start molesting/stripping the girls in front of Eugeo, who can't move presumably because of the noble order and the world's programming. His eye starts spazzing again when he tries to resist it like when they took Alice, but this time he manages to overcome it. Of course, said eye explodes in his head while he cuts off the arm of one of the nobles. Everyone just starts freaking out while the other noble gets his sword. Eugeo's still in shock about what he just did, so when he was about to get killed, Kirito jumps in and chops off the other noble's arms, eventually leading to a spazzy/glitchy death and them getting observed like Alice did when she crossed the border.

    To be honest, the presentation had me waffling between feeling icky and wanting to laugh my ass off. Then I started thinking about Goblin Slayer and how some people that reee'd against that will probably be okay with this because it's SAO and thus somehow justified.
    Ah ok thank you then.
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    So its kinda like that one part in part 2 with the licking part but more violent, i can get behind that.

  3. #803

    GS scene lasted all of like 1 min. GS has also completely ripped out any non-gore stuff that it had previously that I feel made it any different than anything else we see now.

    SAO's scene lasted longer and had much more of a creep factor to it than GS has in any of it's scenes. In GS it makes sense and is kind of a big part of the story. SAO, typical creep shit.

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    GS is also toxic masculinity while Kirito is bae and Asuna is a queen so anything is fine as long as those sweet, sweet yaoi fanfictions keep on churning out.

    .... Writing that made me uncomfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tymon View Post
    GS is also toxic masculinity while Kirito is bae and Asuna is a queen so anything is fine as long as those sweet, sweet yaoi fanfictions keep on churning out.

    .... Writing that made me uncomfortable.
    I just... yeah... moving on lol.

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    I actually stumbled across that scene in Goblin Slayer yesterday and honestly think some people are being a little sensitive there, seeing how nothing explicit was being shown. In fact, the dude with the sword probably got the worst of it, getting gang-shived by the goblins and all. Then again, he was a moron (most of them were, apparently).

    Overall, that scene seemed to serve more to establish the setting, namely that women on and off the battlefield will possibly lead to rape being part of whatever war/battle is going on; pretending otherwise probably wouldn't serve the purpose of the series as that would be rather naive and, honestly speaking, unrealistic. I don't know how that particular subject is handled in other episodes, but those 30 seconds or what really didn't show much and, given the violence going on at the same time, really only showed what was necessary to convey what is at stake for the guys fighting. They did a pretty good job leaving the gruesome parts to the viewer's imagination, however (again, sword-dude).

    What I'd be more concerned with is shows becoming more comfortable with that particular subject. Given the audience (just based on pictures and comments on pixiv, for instance, not that I mind those), I really worry that, given enough time, scenes such as these will eventually be played as fanservice - which is definitely not a welcome effect. I doubt it will ever reach the proportions the usual moe-/fanservice-stuff has reached (which is annoying enough as it is), but I really don't want to see shows pushing further and further and others following suit for sales and whatever. I really wish they'd just leave all that to, well, porn.

  7. #807

    Anime definitely flirts with questionable fetishism from time to time, though on the same token, violence is often glorified while even well-meaning fan service gets spurned by some (Thanks, Christianity~). Half the problem, for me, is that we're usually dealing with teenagers in these situations. Specific to this SAO instance or even GS, such things are believable. Those in positions of power exploiting it isn't a new theme, just as what happens to women in war isn't exactly an unknown even when you swap in goblins for the bad guys. Objectively, there is definitely a right way and a wrong way to depict these things, as well, and I don't think either of these were technically wrong in the overall execution. SAO's just got kinda silly when the limbs started flying and reactions weren't quite... real? Though I'm willing to dismiss some of it as the game/virtual world aspect. Frankly, not a whole lot you can do about people who do get off on snuff, though.

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    There are three “arcs” to the anime. The first arc (the actual SAO arc) was brilliant but way too short. The premise was (at the time) fairly unique and well thought out, and the potential for storylines was extensive. Unfortunately, I don’t believe that potential was realized. The ending of the arc was kind of abrupt and seemed a bit forced.

    The second arc (Alfhiem) was garbage. Complete and utter garbage. A wild mix of tropes jammed together in a heavy-handed fashion, relying heavily on absurd coincidences and the totally unbelievable actions of third-party characters. But the worst part was the way they took one of the strongest, most notable female characters from the first arc, and literally reduced her to a helpless trophy in a birdcage crying “save me Kirito”.

    The third arc (GGO) redeemed the series a bit by returning to the more thought-provoking themes from the original arc. It plays out more like a mystery/thriller, and delves more in to the interaction between virtual worlds and reality.

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