China, angry again (at Japan)

[BaneTheBrawler]

The Warehouse was destroyed, the world has lost hope.

[Acturus]

The Warehouse was destroyed, the world has lost hope.

http://www.starscolor.com/images/saul-rubinek-06.jpg

[bluefan]

According to this article, Rolex (Swiss) and Christian Dior (French) stores have been victims of looting, and this article shows a Samsung (Korea) store being set on fire and looted.

So yeah. It's not really about Japan, it's really about looting. From their own people. Sad.

Reminds one of the London Riots, no?

Ancient secret society that incites riots all over the world when the time comes.

THEY'RE OUT THERE!

[Cantih]

Ancient secret society that incites riots all over the world when the time comes.

THEY'RE OUT THERE!

[Xno Kappa]

[Stanislaw]

Bumping due to recent developments.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...8d2_story.html

Japan says China aimed military radar at Japanese ship near disputed islands

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REUTERS - A Chinese military vessel locked its weapons-targeting radar on the Japanese warship Yuudachi, pictured, last week, Japanese officials say.

By Chico Harlan, Updated: Tuesday, February 5, 5:58 AM

SEOUL — A Chinese military vessel last week locked its weapons-targeting radar on a Japanese warship, Japan’s Ministry of Defense said Tuesday, marking a brief but dangerous escalation in the showdown over maritime territory between Asia’s two largest economies.

The Chinese ship eventually unlocked its radar without firing a shot, the ministry said, but the alleged incident underscores how the neighbors — wrangling over uninhabited islands in the East China Sea — are just one mistake away from potential armed conflict.

On Tuesday, Japan lodged a protest with the Chinese government over the incident, which it said took place near the contested islands that Japan calls Senkaku and China calls Diaoyu.

“Beaming of radar for firing is very abnormal, and it could have put us in a very grave situation if things went wrong,” Japan’s defense minister, Itsunori Onodera, told reporters, according to the Kyodo news agency. He added that in January, a Chinese ship targeted a Japanese helicopter in the same manner.

The two incidents mark the first times during the six-month maritime standoff that China has supposedly used such radar on Japanese ships or aircraft. According to Japan’s Asahi Shimbun newspaper, which cited Japanese Defense Ministry officials, the Chinese vessel and the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force ship were less than two miles apart when the radar was used.

Although Tokyo and Beijing have long been at odds over the rocky chain of remote islands — the countries have competing narratives about decades- and centuries-old claims — tensions spiked in September when Japan bought three of the islands from a private landowner. Previously, Japan rented and controlled the islands, although China and Taiwan also staked claims.

Since the purchase, relations between China and Japan have hit their lowest point in decades. China has steadily increased its surveillance of the waters around the islands; incursions into Japanese territory, once rare, now occur almost daily.

More recently, China has been sending aircraft to the area, and on one occasion, China and Japan scrambled fighter jets in a game of cat-and-mouse. Both governments, hemmed in by nationalism, are limited in their ability to calm the situation, security analysts in Asia say.

China’s government describes its right to the islands as an “undeniable fact backed up by historical records,” and analysts say Beijing is pressing Tokyo to acknowledge that the territory is up for grabs. Japanese officials refuse to admit that a territorial dispute even exists; they say the islands are an “inherent” part of Japan, based on “historical facts,” according to a Foreign Ministry statement.

Japan’s new prime minister, Shinzo Abe, said several days ago that there is “no room for negotiations” over the islands, but he did raise the prospect of a meeting with Chinese leader Xi Jinping.

Low key, but would've been serious stuff if something went wrong.

[Pikarya]

[QUOTE=Stanislaw;5590267]China/Japan cockflexing.[/url]

Doubt it. It would end up looking like this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10129703

and no one would care after.

[Stanislaw]

and no one would care after.

The United States Department of Transportation doesn't think so.

http://www.marad.dot.gov/news_room_l...2_advisory.htm

Advisory #: 2013-02
Date Issued: Jan 28 2013
To: ALL OPERATORS OF U.S.-FLAG, EFFECTIVE U.S.-CONTROLLED VESSELS AND OTHER MARITIME INTERESTS
Subject: ADVISORY FOR THE EAST CHINA SEA

1. CURRENTLY THERE IS A FREQUENT PRESENCE IN THE EAST CHINA SEA SOUTH OF 30 DEGREES NORTH LATITUDE OF CHINESE AND JAPANESE MARITIME LAW ENFORCEMENT OR MILITARY SHIPS AND AIRCRAFT. ACCORDINGLY, IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT MARINERS STEER CLEAR OF ANY ACTIVITY BY SUCH VESSELS IN THE AREA.


2. TO DATE, THERE HAS BEEN NO DISRUPTION TO NORMAL MARITIME ACTIVITY. HOWEVER, REPORTS FROM NUMEROUS SOURCES INDICATE THAT THE POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR MARITIME FORCES AND COMMERCIAL MARITIME INTERESTS TO ENCOUNTER DISRUPTION TO SHIPPING.


3. US-FLAG VESSELS ARE ADVISED TO IMMEDIATELY REPORT INCIDENTS TO THE COMPACFLT OPCONCEN PEARL HARBOR HI (1) 808-471-3201/5200; NAVCOMTELSTA GUAM 671-355-5513/5326/5327/5328; NAVCOMTELSTA FAR EAST 81-311-743-7510; COGARD COMMSTA KODIAK AK (1) 907-487-5778.


4. MARAD ADVISORIES ARE PUBLISHED ON THE MARAD WEB SITE AT WWW.MARAD.DOT.GOV AND THE MARITIME SAFETY INFORMATION WEB SITE: HTTP://MSI.NGA.MIL/NGAPORTAL/MSI.PORTAL UNDER "BROADCAST WARNINGS", SELECT MARAD ADVISORIES.


5. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION REGARDING THIS ADVISORY, CONTACT CAPTAIN ROBERT FORD, MARITIME ADMINISTRATION, OFFICE OF SECURITY, CODE: MAR-420, ROOM W25-308, 1200 NEW JERSEY AVE, S.E., WASHINGTON, DC 20590, TELEPHONE 202-366-0223, FAX 202-366-3954, TLX II 710.822.9426 (MARAD DOT WSH), OR EMAIL: [email protected].

[ronin sparthos]

Do it China. Torpedo a Japanese vessel and start a war I dare you.

Looks like China is just flexing their muscle and reminding Japan that they're around and about and they want some revenge. I highly doubt that China would start an international incident at this point in time knowing the consequences for such actions but who knows, nationalism is one helluva drug. Maybe if they sink one boat that'll sate their bloodlust for the time being, they can just apologize or something.

That advisory looks like standard "Asians are squabbling atm, stay out of their way till the game of Battleship is over" just in case someone gets jumpy and accidentally fires on 'Murica?

[Abandon]

The United States Department of Transportation doesn't think so.

http://www.marad.dot.gov/news_room_l...2_advisory.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/17/war...iref=allsearch

shit like that happens more often than some people realize, and i was actually onboard when this went down. I'm sure more happened than what was released in the press.

[Indalecia]

That wasn't the first time either. I remember when it happened back in ~'04 I wanna say.

Nations are gonna nation. All its really gonna take is one incident.

Oh, unless you're the USS Stark. Then its ok to shoot Exocets at it.

[Kryssan]

That wasn't the first time either. I remember when it happened back in ~'04 I wanna say.

Nations are gonna nation. All its really gonna take is one incident.

Oh, unless you're the USS Stark. Then its ok to shoot Exocets at it.

Or the USS Liberty, or....

[Stanislaw]

That wasn't the first time either. I remember when it happened back in ~'04 I wanna say.

Nations are gonna nation. All its really gonna take is one incident.

Oh, unless you're the USS Stark. Then its ok to shoot Exocets at it.

There's a famous saying in Japan.

"If it's just one shot, maybe it's just an accident..."

[Kerberoz]

2013 Edition

[Ragnus]

I GET IT

[Outlaw]

Do it China. Torpedo a Japanese vessel and start a war I dare you.

Looks like China is just flexing their muscle and reminding Japan that they're around and about and they want some revenge. I highly doubt that China would start an international incident at this point in time knowing the consequences for such actions but who knows, nationalism is one helluva drug. Maybe if they sink one boat that'll sate their bloodlust for the time being, they can just apologize or something.

That advisory looks like standard "Asians are squabbling atm, stay out of their way till the game of Battleship is over" just in case someone gets jumpy and accidentally fires on 'Murica?

I doubt they would either cause they know the US would immediately get involved and our economies are so intertwined now.. A lot of people in China hate Japan though. If they aren't old enough to remember the war I'm sure what the Japanese did has been beaten into their heads sense birth by propaganda.

[6souls]

US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone
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The US has flown two B-52 bombers over disputed islands in the East China Sea in defiance of new Chinese air defence rules, officials say.

China set up its "air defence identification zone" on Saturday insisting that aircraft obey its rules or face "emergency defensive measures".

A Pentagon spokesman said the planes had followed "normal procedures".

The islands, known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, are a source of rising tension between the two nations.

Japan has dismissed the Chinese defence zone as "not valid at all" and two of its biggest airlines announced on Tuesday they would heed a request from the government in Tokyo not to implement the new rules.

US Colonel Steve Warren at the Pentagon said Washington had "conducted operations in the area of the Senkakus".

"We have continued to follow our normal procedures, which include not filing flight plans, not radioing ahead and not registering our frequencies," he said.

There had been no response from China, he added.

The aircraft, which were unarmed, had taken off from Guam on Monday and the flight was part of a regular exercise in the area, US defence officials said. Both planes later returned to Guam.

The US - which has more than 70,000 troops in Japan and South Korea - had previously said it would not abide by the Chinese-imposed zone.

US Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel called it a "destabilising attempt to alter the status quo in the region". The White House said it was "unnecessarily inflammatory".

Japan has already lodged a strong protest over what it said was an "escalation" by China.

Taiwan, which also claims the islands, expressed regret at the Chinese move and promised that its military would take measures to protect national security.

In its statement announcing the air defence zone on Saturday, the Chinese defence ministry said aircraft must report a flight plan, "maintain two-way radio communications", and "respond in a timely and accurate manner" to identification inquiries.

"China's armed forces will adopt defensive emergency measures to respond to aircraft that do not co-operate in the identification or refuse to follow the instructions," the statement said.

Japan Airlines and All Nippon Airlines said on Tuesday they would stop filing flight plans demanded by China on routes through the zone following a request from the Japanese government.

Singapore Airlines and Australia's Qantas have both said they will abide by the new rules.

However, Australia summoned the Chinese ambassador on Tuesday to express opposition over the zone.

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said "the timing and manner" of China's announcement were "unhelpful in light of current regional tensions".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25110011

[Abandon]

i do not want yet another reason to be busy at work. china, shut the fuck up and go away

[ringthree]

Given the lack of Chinese response and the nature of the claim (unenforceable and without merit), I get the feeling this is just a negotiating tactic for when China finally wants to deal with these issues. Also, it gets to test out Japanese and American resolve without much effort.

[Krazy]

Don't worry guys, I read The Bear and the Dragon and we win.