Suikoden discussion - #deadseries

**Insanecyclone** · 2013-04-21 14:11

Can someone point to me to cheap copies of 3 and 5? Those are the only Suikoden games I have not played. 5 just seems to be at a constant $40+ even in used sales.

**Hitoshura** · 2013-04-21 14:18

Originally Posted by Tyrath

Oh yeah! Shit, totally forgot about that. That was pretty awesome. Too bad you had to go back to the damn city out of the way to get him back into your party every time you removed him.

I'd say he was definitely worth the trip. Dat Soul eater.

Also, if all of the past heroes with the true runes are still roaming the world not aging.. why didn't Konami do something with that?

**tyven** · 2013-04-21 17:45

I loved 3!

**Talint** · 2013-04-21 17:53

Originally Posted by arus2001

In terms of polish, yeah, I'd say 4 > 2, but that should be a given jumping from one console generation to the next. PS1 era was still marred by shoddy translations and censorship. But as a complete package, I'd still say 2 was better for reasons like the Neclord follow-up and even the save import easter egg. Otherwise, I'd say if 2 was remade with 5's engine and very little changed aside from a better translation and good voice work, it'd be a no-brainer. 3 still sucks. Luc fanboys don't help.

I disagree, mostly because the first game is still the best in the series, and is a pretty solid game in of itself. Maybe it's not fair to compare 4 to 2 since the games are on a different console generation, but if that's the case, then it is certainly fair to compare 2 to 1. And that's not a fair fight at all, since 1 winds up being the far better game.

Originally Posted by Julian

http://suikodenbugfixes.wikispaces.c...II+Patch+Files

just sayin'

There are way more bugs in Suikoden 2 than I ever encountered. That list is kind of appalling, really.

**Cleverness** · 2013-04-21 17:53

As a sprite based game i'm not sure how you can claim Suikoden 2 ages horribly. It's not like FF7 or Wild Arms that mainly used polygons and REALLY show their age at this point. Due to the sprite use Suikoden 2 actually looks pretty good to this day still when you compare it to some other RPGs that came out around its time and before it. Not every game can age beautifully like FF9 but it's pretty tolerable, like I loved Wild Arms 1 as a kid since it was my first RPG but that's probably the only reason I can stomach a playthrough of it nowadays. Thankfully that 1 got a remake on the PS2 that will age wonderfully.

**Aero** · 2013-04-21 21:38

I dont get what all the hate is about in S4. People claim it has a random last boss(And it does in a sense); but if you play SuikoTactics it goes into a lot of depth about why the tree is there and why it must be destroyed. I know upon release it would seem random; but tactics has been out for 8 years.

Although I would also rank 4 as the weakest in the series; thats not because it was bad. It just shows how great the other installments were.

**Ayn** · 2013-04-21 21:47

I consider IV and Tactics as one game.

Seriously, Tactics is a lovely game.

I do kind of agree about the hero trio in 2. I mean I know the heroes are silent but.. 2 was probably my least favorite main character. Something about that kid annoyed me.

**Tyrath** · 2013-04-21 21:47

I don't even remember 4's last boss. That has nothing to do with my hatred of it. It's the change in combat, terrible boat system, rehash of the 1st games Souleater-esque story, complete disconnect from the rest of the Suikoden universe, and some other things I can no longer remember that make me hate it.

And considering 4 and Tactics as one game is an insult to Tactics lol. Just because they follow the same story doesn't mean they are 1 game. Are FFX/FFX-2 one game?

**Adajer** · 2013-04-21 22:33

I dont recall experiencing glitches in my playthroughs of suikoden 2. Maybe I missed something.

**arus2001** · 2013-04-21 22:51

2 beats 1 for me largely for the same reasons Lufia 2 beats 1, even if the stories are comparable with their pros and cons at points, the sequels of both improved on various game mechanics. Like not wasting attacks on dead enemies. That's so FF1.

**Tyrath** · 2013-04-21 22:59

I'm surprised the awesomeness of Luca Blight has not been brought up since the bump of this thread. Unless I missed it somewhere.

**Aero** · 2013-04-21 23:54

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/112...=1#post5685986

**Tyrath** · 2013-04-22 00:05

Oh, no wonder I missed it. Its in the one post claiming 4 is better than 2 lol.

**Talint** · 2013-04-22 09:40

Originally Posted by Cleverness

As a sprite based game i'm not sure how you can claim Suikoden 2 ages horribly. It's not like FF7 or Wild Arms that mainly used polygons and REALLY show their age at this point. Due to the sprite use Suikoden 2 actually looks pretty good to this day still when you compare it to some other RPGs that came out around its time and before it. Not every game can age beautifully like FF9 but it's pretty tolerable, like I loved Wild Arms 1 as a kid since it was my first RPG but that's probably the only reason I can stomach a playthrough of it nowadays. Thankfully that 1 got a remake on the PS2 that will age wonderfully.

The S2 FMVs are kind of hilariously bad. And then there's stuff like this:

It screams "RPG Maker 2000". Passable for 2000. Sort of embarrassing in 2013.

Originally Posted by arus2001

2 beats 1 for me largely for the same reasons Lufia 2 beats 1, even if the stories are comparable with their pros and cons at points, the sequels of both improved on various game mechanics. Like not wasting attacks on dead enemies. That's so FF1.

So is having magic charges.

**Hitoshura** · 2013-04-22 09:50

Originally Posted by Talint

The S2 FMVs are kind of hilariously bad. And then there's stuff like this:

http://firsthour.net/screenshots/sui...ddy-attack.JPG

It screams "RPG Maker 2000". Passable for 2000. Sort of embarrassing in 2013.

So is having magic charges.

If you're going to poke fun at something as minor as that, I'll just add my complaint that the sprint in Sukoden IV while useful, looks fucking retarded. Oh and the game itself sucks overall, didn't even feel worth playing from what I did play, and I haven't heard otherwise.. until now.

**Ayn** · 2013-04-22 10:53

And considering 4 and Tactics as one game is an insult to Tactics lol. Just because they follow the same story doesn't mean they are 1 game. Are FFX/FFX-2 one game?

Did FFX-2 have a ship you could name Loveboat?

No.

No it did not.

**Tyrath** · 2013-04-22 11:01

@_@ Still a better game just because of the combat system lol

**Spoony Bob** · 2013-04-22 12:06

Click to zoom

Figured this was a good place to cross post this after finding it in some old file dumps.

Never played 4, and couldn't get in to suikoden tactics. Universally bad impressions likely to keep me away forever. 5 and 2 share the spot for my favorite in the series though. Really ended up liking the formations in 5 too even if it made the game a bit easy (put belcoot in the front and win!)

Even after all this time though, I can't give 3 a fair shake. Not that I dislike it, but way before the game came out, I had it spoiled that Luc was the bad guy, and it ruined a big part of it for me. I remember their being a fight with him before his name is dropped and I sat there thinking how cool it would've been to have seen that fight, recognize the true wind rune and go "holy shit, it's Luc!"

**Tyrath** · 2013-04-22 12:15

I think I got lucky with 3 because it was the first I played in the series. If I had played 1, 2 or 5 before it I would've never been able to get used to it the changes.

**Gokulo** · 2013-04-22 12:41

Originally Posted by Talint

The S2 FMVs are kind of hilariously bad. And then there's stuff like this:

http://firsthour.net/screenshots/sui...ddy-attack.JPG

It screams "RPG Maker 2000". Passable for 2000. Sort of embarrassing in 2013.

No. Just no =.=