It's election day. Predictions and further discussion. Spoilers: Obama won

[Talint]

I have no idea what was in the bill, but let's say it was a "Everyone's Universal Right to a House Treaty,"

No, let's not do that and you read the story.

[Day]

lol

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

I have no idea what was in the bill, but let's say it was a "Everyone's Universal Right to a House Treaty," which has been considered before. If we decide everyone has a right to a house, we then force people to either build homes against their will, or pay for homes against their will.

Giving people rights that force other to people to involuntarily do things are rights in label only.

[Xno Kappa]

No, let's not do that and you read the story.

lol on so many levels.

[Ashmada]

I'm assuming this is still the catch all thread, even though the election is over.

Regardless, this enraged me: Republican opposition downs UN disability treaty.

I do not support the cumbersome regulations and potentially overzealous international organizations with anti-American biases that infringe upon American society

Anti-American biases? The fucking UN?

The opposition was led by tea party favorite Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, who argued that the treaty by its very nature threatened U.S. sovereignty. Specifically he expressed concerns that the treaty could lead to the state, rather than parents, determining what was in the best interest of disabled children in such areas as home schooling, and that language in the treaty guaranteeing the disabled equal rights to reproductive health care could lead to abortions.

Oh for fuck's...

"Sorry, disabled people, can't give you equal rights. Could (somehow) lead to abortions and abortions make the bebyjizziz throw a tantrum."
Theocratic aspiration+a huge stretch to justify inequality, that's just fucking low. Fuck their baby jesus with a fencepost, then it'll have reason to be butthurt.


Oh, well, at least we ratified it. In 2009. And included it in the constitution with the uninanimity of the senate's institutional commission's approval.
Full text of the bill.


Edit: unrelatedly, Day, your gif is from a BBC quiz show called Pointless.
Since it's about obscure pop culture knowledge no one cares about ("name a Donna Summer track that reached a top 10 position in the charts but nobody remembers because who the fuck would?"), I'd guess the gif is satirising the show itself.

[Ksandra]

I'm assuming this is still the catch all thread, even though the election is over.

Regardless, this enraged me: Republican opposition downs UN disability treaty.

Here's what the batshit false prophet Rick Santorum said.

Like, what the fuck is wrong with people. This was a small, stupid token gesture that acknowledged that the US led the world on rights for the disabled, and now it's a political farce. This is why the world hates us.

Argh.

I am seriously facepalming reading that article...how can anyone be this stupid and childish...

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

No, let's not do that and you read the story.

I read your story, and the only basis for what was in the treaty was this, "the treaty requires no changes in U.S. law, that a committee created by the treaty to make recommendations has no power to change laws and that the treaty cannot serve as a basis for a lawsuit in U.S. courts." If that's true, why does it matter that we didn't ratify it? So American's abroad can allegedly have better conditions? I'll bet there's more to it than that.

[Ksandra]

did you just imply the UN is only about americans?

[ronin sparthos]

I hate bureaucracy as much as the next guy but this is nothing more than a platform for political posturing.

[Churchill]

I read your story, and the only basis for what was in the treaty was this, "the treaty requires no changes in U.S. law, that a committee created by the treaty to make recommendations has no power to change laws and that the treaty cannot serve as a basis for a lawsuit in U.S. courts." If that's true, why does it matter that we didn't ratify it? So American's abroad can allegedly have better conditions? I'll bet there's more to it than that.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

did you just imply the UN is only about americans?

Did you just imply that you missed the point? This treaty does nothing for Americans at home, according to John Kerry. At best, it encourages other countries to pass an ADA type law, to help Americans abroad. We don't need a treaty to encourage that.

Take your blinders off, there is much better Republican hate fodder out there for liberals.

[Ksandra]

Did you just imply that you missed the point? This treaty does nothing for Americans at home, according to John Kerry. At best, it encourages other countries to pass an ADA type law, to help Americans abroad. We don't need a treaty to encourage that.

Take your blinders off, there is much better Republican hate fodder out there for liberals.

of course the treaty does nothing for americans at home because we already have said laws. Other countries don't. Explain to me why it's a bad thing to encourage other countries to have similar laws.

[Qeomash]

Did you just imply that you missed the point? This treaty does nothing for Americans at home, according to John Kerry. At best, it encourages other countries to pass an ADA type law, to help Americans abroad. We don't need a treaty to encourage that.

There was the point of the whole thing. Didn't hurt American in any way and could only help others in the world, yet we didn't ratify it for political reasons.

[ringthree]

I have no idea what was in the bill, but let's say it was a "Everyone's Universal Right to a House Treaty," which has been considered before. If we decide everyone has a right to a house, we then force people to either build homes against their will, or pay for homes against their will.

Giving people rights that force other to people to involuntarily do things are rights in label only.

Wow, that was the god-damned most stupid comparison I have heard today. Congrats.

The UN treaty was based on the US law.

[Bregor]

Awful lot of mayad in here for a body as useless at the fucking UN.

[Correction]

Ugh, fuck the ADA, I'm glad this didn't pass the Senate.

[Talint]

Ugh, fuck the ADA, I'm glad this didn't pass the Senate.

Interesting.

What's wrong with the ADA?

[Correction]

Interesting.

What's wrong with the ADA?

It's a bad law with a lot of crappy consequences. Business owners get fucked over on a regular basis by its regulations and the definition of 'handicapped' is so loose it's an embarrassment.

long version:

[Talint]

It's a bad law with a lot of crappy consequences. Business owners get fucked over on a regular basis by its regulations and the definition of 'handicapped' is so loose it's an embarrassment.

long version:

I find none of this to be remotely compelling, since it's more Libertarian nonsense.

[quannum]

P&T:BS! went down hill when they decided to become the mouth piece for cato institute. I've not seen them be transparent about their bias either.