'White British' the minority in London

[TheDangerousDave]

To be honest, I don't know that much about the motives for 7/7, but letting four extremists dictate an attitude toward an entire population of immigrants is pretty dangerous. Unless there are other incidents I don't know about (which is entirely possible since the U.S. media's coverage of international news is God-awful) then it seems like an isolated incident to me rather than an epidemic of anger from immigration policy.

I have nowhere said that all Muslim immigrants have the same mentality as these people, please don't confuse this with what I have actually said. This is a result of the non-integration of immigrants, not "this is what every immigrant that does not integrate will do!" but it will certainly happen again. There are numerous foiled terror attack attempts with this being the most successful (for them) and effective.

Care to quote studies on how immigrants learning or not learning a language affects an economy? I know from a personal and a historical context that the U.S. had many, many communities of European immigrants who continued speak their native languages in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and since then there are similar instances with Asian and South American communities. And while they didn't learn English right off the boat, they get their citizenship and hold down jobs and pay taxes, and their kids go to school and grew up to be a part of our cultural heritage. Most of us see that as a positive, but if the whole melting pot thing isn't your cup of tea, oh well.

Care to quote a study that shows the opposite? As for the U.S. I think that's a very, very different scenario as it has the capacity to hold large volumes of differing people that can support their own communities and none that can even make a reason to attack another. Also, the U.S wasn't as mature and stable then as it is now, and as Britain is, so the immigration during the growth of the culture is a lot different I would believe. Britain was very mature before the mass immigration of the 2000's and the culture was stable and integrated throughout.

[TheDangerousDave]

Oh, and one last contribution before I head to bed: if you would, Dave, please be a dear and realize that the burden of proof rests solely on you.



Source: http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...-of-proof.html

And with that request gently made toward a raving fool, I'm off to sleep.

You are also making an affirmative statement though, so logically the very same burden lies on yourself. I claim one thing, with no proof, you claim the opposite also with no proof. I don't know why you think that it is only I that needs the opinions of others to support the thesis I hold and you can affirm an opposition and feel you need nothing to support it but your belief.

[Bregor]

I have nowhere said that all Muslim immigrants have the same mentality as these people, please don't confuse this with what I have actually said. This is a result of the non-integration of immigrants, not "this is what every immigrant that does not integrate will do!" but it will certainly happen again. There are numerous foiled terror attack attempts with this being the most successful (for them) and effective.

I never said the word Muslim, stop reading what you want to read.

[TheDangerousDave]

Well the subject at hand was Muslims, what else was I to read? You said "letting four extremists dictate an attitude toward an entire population of immigrants is pretty dangerous" to which I am telling you that I am not dictating the attitude to all Muslims, the specific group at hand. Of course I am not saying that Polish immigrants are going to suicide bomb and murder civilians.

[TheDangerousDave]

Also, calling them extremist is an entirely different topic that I don't want to derail into but I would love for your opinion of why they are extremist and other Muslims not just extremely moderate and themselves not actually following the real requirements of their faith. PM me this please, genuinely interested.

[Ashmada]

Whar teh lulz gone? Thread had potential, disappoint.

[TheDangerousDave]

Feel free to try and shit up another thread with your poor trolling attempts

[Bregor]

Well the subject at hand was Muslims, what else was I to read? You said "letting four extremists dictate an attitude toward an entire population of immigrants is pretty dangerous" to which I am telling you that I am not dictating the attitude to all Muslims, the specific group at hand. Of course I am not saying that Polish immigrants are going to suicide bomb and murder civilians.

See, I said "entire population of immigrants" because you included Poles in other posts, and I presumed you would feel the same about any other group who comes to the U.K. and doesn't integrate to your satisfaction. But if you just want to target a smaller, specific group of Muslims based on four individuals, go right ahead.

Also, calling them extremist is an entirely different topic that I don't want to derail into but I would love for your opinion of why they are extremist and other Muslims not just extremely moderate and themselves not actually following the real requirements of their faith. PM me this please, genuinely interested.

I think anyone willing to kill themselves in order to kill civilians and make some sort of statement can be called an "extremist." Their political and religious beliefs or motives may or may not be extreme, but my issue is with the action rather than the thought process.

[Elcura]

Why do these things always end up about Muslims? I really hope TheDangerousDumb shuts the fuck up already.

[TheDangerousDave]

I think anyone willing to kill themselves in order to kill civilians and make some sort of statement can be called an "extremist." Their political and religious beliefs or motives may or may not be extreme, but my issue is with the action rather than the thought process.

That's just your opinion though.
I hope Elcumdumpster grows a brain.

[Abandon]

This fucking guy sounds like the assholes in the U.S. who think we need to make English the official language or send black people back to Africa.

Did a dirty foreigner take your job? Or are you just an insufferable xenophobe?

i've been there; fuck africa

[Abandon]

That's just your opinion though.
I hope Elcumdumpster grows a brain.

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[Elcura]

I hope Elcumdumpster grows a brain.

Funny, considering the bullshit you've been spouting this entire topic. But I guess you can't tell a dumb person how dumb they are, because they're too dumb to understand it. Just like you can't tell a crazy person how crazy they are.

[TheDangerousDave]

I am far more intelligent than you, hands down. Holding an opinion that opposes the masses does not make one dumb, it is only your idiocy that makes this a logical conclusion to yourself.

[hey]

Dunning–Kruger effect in full play, i see.

[Abandon]

I am far more intelligent than you, hands down. Holding an opinion that opposes the masses does not make one dumb, it is only your idiocy that makes this a logical conclusion to yourself.

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[Guyverarmor]

I am far more intelligent than you, hands down. Holding an opinion that opposes the masses does not make one dumb, it is only your idiocy that makes this a logical conclusion to yourself.

[TheDangerousDave]

I'd be more than happy to post external sources to prove my level of intelligence but I have no interest in making this thread about me, I am interested in discussing the topic.

[Bregor]

[TheDangerousDave]

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