High School football team's "Rape Crew" exposed by Anonymous.

[archibaldcrane]

Kuya, I'm sure if a guy got drunk somewhere and was raped by another dude, everyone would be admonishing him for putting himself in a really shitty situation.

[Kuya]

Kuya, I'm sure if a guy got drunk somewhere and was raped by another dude, everyone would be admonishing him for putting himself in a really shitty situation.

Personally, i think people would be screaming GAY

[Charismatic]

Kuya, I'm sure if a guy got drunk somewhere and was raped by another dude, everyone would be admonishing him for putting himself in a really shitty situation.

They probably would. Just like if he was earing a gold chain and got robbed in the hood.
Lets not pretend this is exclusive to girls and rape. The questions people have about these situations are also legit.

[ronin sparthos]

No straight man could be raped, it's physically impossible. If he got raped, he wanted the D.

Also, the girl was 16. Last I checked, 16 year olds do some pretty stupid things. It's that exploratory segment of your life and all.

[Kuya]

They probably would. Just like if he was earing a gold chain and got robbed in the hood.
Lets not pretend this is exclusive to girls and rape. The questions people have about these situations are also legit.

You make it sound as if stealing is a normal part of living near black people.

[archibaldcrane]

They probably would. Just like if he was earing a gold chain and got robbed in the hood.
Lets not pretend this is exclusive to girls and rape. The questions people have about these situations are also legit.

Anytime you are thinking "Now I'm not blaming the victim here, but..." you should probably just stop.

[Charismatic]

You make it sound as if stealing is a normal part of living near black people.

I think its a normal part around living near poor people.

Anytime you are thinking "Now I'm not blaming the victim here, but..." you should probably just stop.

Because you said so? Naw. I don't live in an ideal, perfect world. I believe in people protecting themselves and being smart enough to realize that everyone isn't going to do what they should do.

[archibaldcrane]

So you're saying she's partially to blame?

[Charismatic]

I'm saying that there's a much higher probability that it wouldn't have happened if she weren't blackout drunk. Take that how you will.

[Kuya]

I think its a normal part around living near poor people.

[archibaldcrane]

No one is disputing that.

[Charismatic]

No one is disputing that.

Then shut up?

EDIT: lol @ Kuya thinking that poor people don't steal.

[archibaldcrane]

Her taking the one in a thousand risk of rape from getting drunk one night is so insignificant it shouldn't even register on your radar, when the other factor is what everyone else did that night.

There's no equivalency to be drawn, no "both sides made mistakes", none.

[Charismatic]

Her taking the one in a thousand risk of rape from getting drunk one night is so insignificant it shouldn't even register on your radar, when the other factor is what everyone else did that night.

There's no equivalency to be drawn, no "both sides made mistakes", none.

lol, I'm just gonna bow out.

You are ridiculous.

[archibaldcrane]

Good to know you think there's equivalency to be drawn between getting drunk and raping someone.

Peace.

[Kuya]

I dunno.

I thought he just had issues with feminism, but now he's in here making these arguments...

[Charismatic]

I dunno.

I thought he just had issues with feminism, but now he's in here making these arguments...

Arguments that people should take care of themselves? I know that is anathema to feminists because feminism is all about victimhood and the absolution of personal responsibility. That you embrace that ideology will of course have us at odds when speaking on such issues. The fact that you think you theft isn't far more common poor areas speaks volumes about your disconnect with reality.

Its fine to wish for an ideal world, but you have to also realize that we don't live in one. Actions have consequences... feminists (JtO's term 'gender idealogues' seems more apt) tend to forget that.

[archibaldcrane]

Arguments that people should take care of themselves? I know that is anathema to feminists because feminism is all about victimhood

dude

she was a victim

this isn't some made up fiction of "all women are oppressed" - she was raped by two dudes.

[Kuya]

I never said theft isn't more common in poor areas. That certainly is the popular perception, but it doesn't cease from being a classist statement.

Feminism is about victimhood and absolving personal responsibility? Redefining words to suit your animus doesn't mean you're right. Finally, you said i was creating false equivalences in a different thread, but in this thread you seem (i stress seem) hellbent on creating an equivalence between getting drunk at a party and getting raped.

[Charismatic]

I never said theft isn't more common in poor areas. That certainly is the popular perception, but it doesn't cease from being a classist statement.

Feminism is about victimhood and absolving personal responsibility? Redefining words to suit your animus doesn't mean you're right. Finally, you said i was creating false equivalences in a different thread, but in this thread you seem (i stress seem) hellbent on creating an equivalence between getting drunk at a party and getting raped.

Not once did I ever try to create an equivalance between getting drunk at a party and getting raped. Archi is the one trying to do that which is why I won't be responding to him further and its cute that he thinks I will.
And yes, that's exactly what feminism is and always has been about. Maybe not your rare breed of feminism but...


And if a factual statement is a classist statement, then oh fucking well.