High School football team's "Rape Crew" exposed by Anonymous.

[archibaldcrane]

Alcohol didn't rape her. Rape isn't a side-effect.

[Plow]

So you wouldn't care about their overall health or well being or the many dangerous potential consequences of such behavior that have nothing to do with rape?

Nope, see, I'm actually being a real realist. Kids are going to try stuff sooner or later. The rare exception exists, but I'm certainly not going to be raising children expecting them never to want to experiment with drugs and alcohol.

It's much more important to me to teach them to do that experimenting in a controlled environment. Perhaps if this girl thought she could call home and say "hey I'm way too drunk can you guys come get me please" this might not have happened. Perhaps if the whole town thought this way the parties wouldn't be at places you can carry around drunk girls to rape.

There is definitely plenty of blame for parents all around here; blaming a kid for going to parties and drinking is being naive, expecting the carrying around and repeated rape of teenage girls to not just be cheered on and joked about by the general populace is not.

These are not things that are supposed to just happen sometimes. Viewing and reacting to it as such is the precise definition of "rape culture."

[Rhinox]

Alcohol played no role?

[ronin sparthos]

Sure is Islam up in here with the "shouldn't have passed out drunk in a party zone" line of reasoning.

I give a 16 year old the naivete to get drunk at a party and pass out as a result of too many drinks / not being able to hold liquor but rape? Get the fuck outta here, there is no equivalence. All the hormones in the world doesn't give you a pass.

This girl could have been flailing her vagina at the guys at the party and they'd still be in the wrong for crossing into rape territory when there was no consent. Was it stupid of her to get passed-out drunk at this party? When is it ever? However she bears zero responsibility for getting raped. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

[Tajin]

There's never a point at which you have to accept some responsibility for being raped.

I don't think anybody has said she should take responsibility for getting gang-banged, she is however responsible for getting shitfaced, but if I were to dive into a shark infested part of the ocean or a river full of piranhas, I don't think many would put either species at fault for eating me, I would be held responsible for jumping into the water; I have to agree with "when you put yourself at risk for shitty situations, sometimes shitty things happen as a result"

[Niiro]

Fields, endless fields of strawmen.

[ronin sparthos]

I don't think anybody has said she should take responsibility for getting gangbanged, but if I were to dive into a shark infested part of the ocean or a river full of piranhas, I don't think many would put either species at fault for eating me. I have to agree with "when you put yourself at risk for shitty situations, sometimes shitty things happen as a result"

So now we're equivocating men with sharks literally? It really is getting Islam up in here.

[Bregor]

if I were to dive into a shark infested part of the ocean or a river full of piranhas

You people and your fucking terrible analogies...

[Plow]

Reading sure is tough.

Try again with mind to:

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uh, ok

there's no point at which you're responsible for being raped
there's no point at which you're responsible for being murdered
there's no point at which you're responsible for being alcohol?

oh, wait, that's right, you're trying to equivocate being drunk with rape and murder

There's a really simple distinction in that if alcohol causes you to harm others, you're responsible.
If alcohol causes harm to yourself, such as alcohol poisoning, you're responsible.

Alcohol doesn't cause someone to rape you. Being a rapist causes someone to rape you.

[Kuya]

I don't think anybody has said she should take responsibility for getting gangbanged, but if I were to dive into a shark infested part of the ocean or a river full of piranhas, I don't think many would put either species at fault for eating me. I have to agree with "when you put yourself at risk for shitty situations, sometimes shitty things happen as a result"

wat

[Rhinox]

Yes, Nothing screams women's rights more than xenophobia

[Charismatic]

Being a rapist causes someone to rape you.

Oh.
(I know what you meant, but I had to point that out.)

Also I don't agree with your post, but you knew that.

[Plow]

wat

something about bitch's ankles turning him on

Oh.
(I know what you meant, but I had to point that out.)

Also I don't agree with your post, but you knew that.

thought about that as I posted but I figured people would get what I meant

[Callisto]

You people and your fucking terrible analogies...

I have a probably terrible analogy too!

Last year my mother was car-jacked, likely with the intention of rape or other dastardlyness since the guy decked her from behind while outside of the car, but shoved her back into the car(usually if you just want the car, you don't keep the owner). He tried to drive off into traffic, oncoming car hit them, left my mom with a broken neck, the guy ran off and was never caught. While of course nothing ever, ever excuses what the guy did, even my mother herself admitted to having the slightest bit of share in the responsibility: she was at that particular location because she had decided to go get bombed with her friends on a weeknight with the intention of blowing off work the next day(something she had some serious problems with doing at the time).

Not to really say it's 'lucky' because, well, she got a broken neck, but she had some appreciation for the fact that if she wasn't being completely irresponsible in her choices of what to do with her night, she wouldn't have been in the situation whatsoever; though it is somewhat lucky that she at least escaped the situation without being raped/killed/other. Since then she has mostly stopped hanging out with her friends that always want to get smashed on weeknights(most of them are well-off housewives that don't have to work the next day like she does) and is much more responsible about where she goes and when.

[Xajii]

I have a probably terrible analogy too!

Last year my mother was car-jacked, likely with the intention of rape or other dastardlyness since the guy decked her from behind while outside of the car, but shoved her back into the car(usually if you just want the car, you don't keep the owner). He tried to drive off into traffic, oncoming car hit them, left my mom with a broken neck, the guy ran off and was never caught. While of course nothing ever, ever excuses what the guy did, even my mother herself admitted to having the slightest bit of share in the responsibility: she was at that particular location because she had decided to go get bombed with her friends on a weeknight with the intention of blowing off work the next day(something she had some serious problems with doing at the time).

Not to really say it's 'lucky' because, well, she got a broken neck, but she had some appreciation for the fact that if she wasn't being completely irresponsible in her choices of what to do with her night, she wouldn't have been in the situation whatsoever; though it is somewhat lucky that she at least escaped the situation without being raped/killed/other. Since then she has mostly stopped hanging out with her friends that always want to get smashed on weeknights(most of them are well-off housewives that don't have to work the next day like she does) and is much more responsible about where she goes and when.

first off, I'm sorry to hear that that happened and hope that she's made a full recovery.

but yeah that is a pretty terrible analogy. that could have happened to her no matter where she was and the fact that she was somewhere because she made an irresponsible life choice is extremely irrelevant. she could have just as easily been in the same place for a very important reason.

[Hatedregret]

I completely agree with Plow here. It's never going to be your fault that you get raped. Look slutty, act slutty, make bad choices, get drunk and pass out. None of that forces someone to break the law.

Is there a point where you have to accept some responsibility for being robbed? I'm trying to see where your logic goes.

It may not be smart to go into certain neighborhoods or flash money around but it's the same logic. Doing those things doesn't make you responsible.

[Rhinox]

No just incredibly stupid. Like the decision the victim made

[Xajii]

No just incredibly stupid. Like the decision the victim made

what is the end game to this perspective? I understand that context is important, but when people point out the bad decisions made by victims, it is hard to disconnect thier argument from the idea that they were responsible.

[Blubbartron]

It sure is a good thing these rapists made her pay the price then eh?

You feel no sympathy for the victim of a gang rape. That tells everyone here all they need to know.

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You're a fucking sociopath.

You seriously think that rape is a proper punishment for drinking to excess.

It's just...marvelous. The finest misanthropy in all the land.

If you could make it into a wine I would drink it, a cheese - I would eat it.

No but seriously though - have you never been really drunk in your entire life?

I can't wait for you to tell me about how you were only around trusted friends who are incapable of criminal acts.

As has been mentioned several times, she didn't "deserve" to get raped. No one deserves that. No one deserves to get cancer either, but I don't feel any sympathy for smokers. She chose to drink herself unconscious, and rolled the dice hoping nothing bad would happen to her while she was unable to participate in reality. She lost that gamble.

Also, yes, I've been blackout drunk exactly one time. The next day everything I had done the night previous was explained in glorious detail, including showing me pictures of the event. Apparently one of my friends decided to randomly punch me in the gut (he was equally drunk), because he thought I should toughen up or something. After he punched me, he spent the next 15 minutes trying to convince me to hit him back (I guess I'm incredibly nonviolent even when wasted). One of the pictures (me standing over a sink which I had filled with vomit moments before, with the punchy friend nearby pointing and laughing) made it into a slideshow for the Math and CS department awards ceremony. I learned my lesson that day, and don't hold any grudges against my friends for the fun they had at my expense. I don't allow myself to get that drunk anymore, because not knowing what's going on and not remembering what happened scares the shit out of me.

Coincidentally, I find Blubbartron's viewpoint on humanitarian issues in line with his stance here. To him, the welfare of others appears to mean very little, unless it fits in with rather specific and narrowly-chosen criteria. As such, I would not be surprised by any other commentary along these lines.

I'm nothing if not consistent. I don't wish harm (rape, or any other kind) on anyone, but I literally cannot care about every single human being/life form on the planet. I barely have enough care for the people in my immediate vicinity, let alone my community, let alone people in an entirely different state.

also, to reiterate, fuck you, psychopath.

Archi was closer to correct. I know the difference between right and wrong, I just don't give a shit about people I don't know.

[Ksandra]

Not to really say it's 'lucky' because, well, she got a broken neck, but she had some appreciation for the fact that if she wasn't being completely irresponsible in her choices of what to do with her night, she wouldn't have been in the situation whatsoever; though it is somewhat lucky that she at least escaped the situation without being raped/killed/other. Since then she has mostly stopped hanging out with her friends that always want to get smashed on weeknights(most of them are well-off housewives that don't have to work the next day like she does) and is much more responsible about where she goes and when.

Calli...if she had gone with her friends to play bridge and have a quilting circle, all of that scenario would have still happened.