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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stig View Post
    You sound perfect for me! Although I cannot understand why he didn't want you to have a job. Seems silly. Was he asian lol
    he was a dumb ass white boy. He didn't want me to get a job because he wanted me to be dependent on him. He freaked out when I told him I was gunna go to the bar for my friends 21st b-day. started crying saying he was worried I was gunna cheat on him and leave him. That should've been a sign, but I was a moran.

    I think the reason why I was so addicted to FF11 was because growing up with social anxiety/being an outcast and never really fitting in with anyone, I finally fit in with a group of people. I leveled whm and brd so it was mega desire. I was always eager to get home so I can turn my flag on and see the invites coming in. I felt wanted and it was an awesome feeling. Logging online and having my ls say "Koul, fafnir. NOW! Getchur ass here!" one of the best feelings in the world. Even if we missed claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archibaldcrane View Post
    Oh shit, does this actually work? How many people are on the server?
    It works

    150-200 online at peak times. I think over a thousand registered users

    50-100 during night

    Also, I have been on there for about 3-4 weeks. Sky access, full heca+1, hauteclaire etc etc, 75 pld nin drk war. You can play casually 1-2 hours a day and get more done than you could in retail ffxi in a 2-3 days.

    also, 4x exp, starting 3 mil gil. Every item is on AH for 1k gil a pop (r/ex items are not up), 150% speed, etc

    /drug_dealer_mode on as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francisco View Post
    Was I really "addicted" to these games, considering I abruptly stopped playing both of them with no withdrawal issues? If it's a true addiction, can it simply "go away" by virtue of being tired of it? Or, am I perhaps still "addicted", and at risk of overplaying again if new content manages to snare me back in? Doesn't a true addiction require some sort of "treatment" to kick?
    I'll preface this by saying I didn't go through all of the other replies on the thread, but I'll give my 2 cents.

    The reason something is addictive is because it is fulfilling some desire or need. I believe you can be addicted to video games, but I think that what exactly makes you addicted can vary. In that way, addiction is deceptive. Just because you stopped playing these games, with no ill effects, doesn't necessarily mean you weren't addicted. It just means those games stopped fulfilling whatever need made you addicted.

    For some people who are particularly shut in and can't express themselves irl, the freedom to be someone completely different online can be addicting. For me personally, I am an extremely competitive person so what attracted me to FFXI was the zero-sum competitive HNMs. It was the perfect storm for me, and I loved every single second playing XI, even when I lived and breathed in Aery for months and never got anything for it. But then after FFXI was ruined, I began hating XI. I played out of false hope, for just as many hours, but was more interested in posting in BG/FFXIAH about how terrible XI had become rather than playing. Eventually I quit FFXI completely cold turkey and never looked back.

    Was I addicted to XI? No. After quitting XI (and the sub-habit of spending hours soapboxing about how terrible it was and how great it was pre-Abyssea), I went back to playing the game I had played before I went hardcore into XI, that was being re-released by Valve (Dota).

    But I could no longer play all my friends I used to play with 8 years ago before starting XI. They were all still at the same level they were before, and had no interest in improving. Meanwhile I outstripped them and rose into the higher levels of the bracket. I took matches very seriously, even in general pub matchmaking, treating things as business (like how I worked in Linkshells in XI).

    My friends didn't enjoy playing with me, and I didn't enjoy playing with them. I get really vitriolic with some people on the ladder who goof off and throw a match; I treat every game as if there was millions on the line. I came to the conclusion I didn't enjoy the game at all. I was indifferent to playing it. I hated losing. But I loved winning. With people who share that mindset, however rare they are, I get along fantastically. Otherwise, generally not.

    Did XI ruin me? No. I think what I am addicted to is the endorphin rush from competition.

    Do I play too much? To some people's estimations. But I rationalize my gaming by evaluating whether I enjoy the endorphin rush from winning more or less than I would enjoy time spent on other endeavors. I choose to spend my energy on the endeavors that give me the most pleasure, and most of the time gaming is the best return on investment for my time (ironic because my payoff is conditional on winning).

    For me personally, I think this is inescapable so long as I am intensely competitive, and that is a facet of my personality I don't really care to change it. It affects other aspects of my life as well - I'm very prone to getting into arguments irl. If video games went away, I'm fairly sure I would take up some other proxy activity. I'm fairly sure that I would get addicted to gambling in a bad moment. In another life, with other talents, maybe I would love being a professional athlete. I could give Michael Jordan a run for his money in being embittered.

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    I think pretty much every MMO has stories like that. I'd hear stuff about girls banging guild leaders to get high-end loot on WoW and EQ. Wasn't there someone on WoW that banged a GM and got some sort of epic mount? I just remember reading about it somewhere, but can't remember if it was true or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkepyon View Post
    I think pretty much every MMO has stories like that. I'd hear stuff about girls banging guild leaders to get high-end loot on WoW and EQ. Wasn't there someone on WoW that banged a GM and got some sort of epic mount? I just remember reading about it somewhere, but can't remember if it was true or not.
    Uh, I think that story is the one where this girl put an ad online saying she would trade sex for enough gold to buy her epic mount. She was ugly iirc so it got even more press, but she actually went through with it.

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    Random internet-ing lead me here, which of course made me think back to this topic:
    http://www.cracked.com/article_18461...-addicted.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by archibaldcrane View Post
    Peak-era FFXI was a hell of a drug, man.
    Late, but this. So fucking much. I remember those 12+ hour days. Lost touch with a lot of friends and missed out on a lot of family stuff too. That being said, FFXI was my first MMO, so I usually warn people that get in to any of them for the first time of their addictive nature. Wife's first MMO was Aion, and she got pretty addicted for the first year. I'm sure she would have stayed addicted if she wasn't married, but her year was better than my 3 years of XI and 3 years of on/off WoW. We both got in to Aion, but r/l just got in the way, now she only plays if there isn't anything else to do.

    Was never really a social/party/clubbing type though, and a lot of my friends stopped gaming. The community in XI, or just chatting it up with other gamers in general, really fueled my addiction. I played WoW with a rl friend from my former job, so that helped develop my rl social skills more. Gradually just got bored more easily and stopped playing in general. Same with Aion. The wife and I are anxiously awaiting XIV: ARR, so while I'm hoping I don't become addicted again, I'm also hoping I don't waste my money and become bored quickly again.

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    I don't really think it is addiction having seen what drugs have done to certain family members of mine that I avoid ( well, that's not completely fair - I avoid all of them, but still ). Compulsion I can agree with. The discussion about hobbies I also find accurate - the old phrase "Some people collect stamps", etc.

    Still, I'm not one of those people that is bothered by spending a large amount of time dedicated to a particular tasking that others would consider a waste. I had no problem as a kid playing Risk for the 6-8 hours I might spend playing a video game nowadays ( just yesterday I was up until daylight playing HW2 Complex 8.3.3 in preparation for next version release ).

    I think it really all comes down to what you feel a 'waste' of your time is and your social proclivities. Is it a waste of time to spend hours upon hours 'experiencing' a fictional world? I've spent days buried in books learning derivations of random kinetics equations just for the 'learning rush' ( that's what I call it anyway ) and when I was a kid I started reading dictionaries and encyclopedias because I ran out of other, immediately available material to read at home. I have no idea how many hours I've burned just listening to music and daydreaming. Again, what is the issue? Someone else's idea of healthy social behavior? Please.

    I would ( still do ) shun interaction when I'm involved in such an activity and become irritable when I am interrupted - what's really the difference playing a game with the same involvement? I don't personally think it becomes a problem until you start neglecting the aspects required for life ( and / or require others to support you ). If you can spend 12+ hours a day gaming, go to school / work and still get enough sleep to be functional, who really cares? If you're functional, fuck 'em and their opinions. That said, I can't go that far - I need sleep to be functional. Non-work days though? No problem.

    At best I would describe myself as apathetic to most social interactions; to me the real draw for games like FFXI and XIV was the story, the graphics, and the immersion available to the PC platform. Like everything else in life, people have varying degrees of interaction they need to stay reasonably sane and 'functional', and there is no strict guideline for what that ought to be.

    I think also with games like FFXI comes the knowledge that, most likely, it'll still be there tomorrow. Not only will there be something for me to do tomorrow, but the servers will still be up and available. That is where the real 'compulsion' comes from for me - I have a reason to continue playing tomorrow. And the next day, and the next...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kryssan View Post
    I don't really think it is addiction having seen what drugs have done to certain family members of mine that I avoid
    If you could pay $14 for a month of drugs and they didn't destroy your body, you'd see the similarity. Something doesn't have to be expensive financially or wreck you physically to be addictive.

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    Ever since my days with CS and FFXI about a decade ago, I've probably averaged 5 hrs a day playing games (mostly MMOs). That said, I've probably averaged 1 hr/day for the past 6 months, most days are now 0 hrs. Have I beaten my addiction/>?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dryr View Post
    Ever since my days with CS and FFXI about a decade ago, I've probably averaged 5 hrs a day playing games (mostly MMOs). That said, I've probably averaged 1 hr/day for the past 6 months, most days are now 0 hrs. Have I beaten my addiction/>?
    It will be back mwahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by archibaldcrane View Post
    If you could pay $14 for a month of drugs and they didn't destroy your body, you'd see the similarity. Something doesn't have to be expensive financially or wreck you physically to be addictive.
    I don't see what that has to do with it - if we're going by semantics alone, then there is no discussion to be had. Generally speaking, anything you repetitively feel compelled to do that 'harms' physical health, mental health, or social health is termed a behavioural addiction. If you want to go for broke on that topic defining whether or not what we do falls into those subsets, that's fine - but it isn't how I read what the OP asked.

    In other words, don't be a premature nihilator.

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    I was playing way too much for a while (ffxi). It wasn't directly affecting my work/life cycle but I should say, I could make a much better use of my free time. Not talking about parties and stuff, you know...something more productive.

    I would say that 3 hours/day average should be maximum, excluding "hey, skyrim is out I'm gonna play it all day!" days every now and then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dryr View Post
    Ever since my days with CS and FFXI about a decade ago, I've probably averaged 5 hrs a day playing games (mostly MMOs). That said, I've probably averaged 1 hr/day for the past 6 months, most days are now 0 hrs. Have I beaten my addiction/>?
    I find myself the exactly the same nowadays. I haven't even turned my xbox on since before the new year because i just don't find games to do it for me anymore. I look forward to new games and if they are good enough then I will probably go back and replay them a few times but aside of that i've lost interest.

    I might of beaten my FFXI addiction but it'd also to a degree ruined other games for me also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriarch View Post
    It works

    150-200 online at peak times. I think over a thousand registered users

    50-100 during night

    Also, I have been on there for about 3-4 weeks. Sky access, full heca+1, hauteclaire etc etc, 75 pld nin drk war. You can play casually 1-2 hours a day and get more done than you could in retail ffxi in a 2-3 days.
    Imagining if BG had their own private ffxi server...

    would play/10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dryr View Post
    Ever since my days with CS and FFXI about a decade ago, I've probably averaged 5 hrs a day playing games (mostly MMOs). That said, I've probably averaged 1 hr/day for the past 6 months, most days are now 0 hrs. Have I beaten my addiction/>?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ratatapa
    It will be back mwahahaha
    I find I still play video games a lot more than I should. Although not as much as I did with FFXI (easily could spend around 5-10 hours a day) I still can get lost in certain games and find myself playing till the wee hours of the morning. So I would say the addiction of videogames curbs boredom and is an escape. I used to drink. A LOT. Though PTSD probably had a bit to do with that. Playing videogames curbs my urge to drink, smoke, eat a lot of crap, think about the craziness of life and just gets my mind right. It's fantasy therapy. It's not quite on the same level as a drug because there's no dependence and withdraw. There is potential for abuse but I can go months without gaming and I won't even break a sweat. Go a few hours without a cigarette and I'm banging my head on a wall.

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