Wisconsin passes abortion ban

[chiyio]

I've talked about this before, but I really do think we need to stop worrying about abortions and fix our systems for the kids that are born FIRST. Then we can go back and see what kinds of abortions are still necessary. We're fighting the wrong end of the stick imo.

And that is still WAY after having fixed education and access to birth control.

"fixing" abortion is so far down the list of things that actually reduce abortion that it's kind of retarded to even be talking about.

[Ksandra]

A greater number of adoptive parents doesn't help anything?

no. Technically, a greater number of adoptive parents willing to take crack-addicted, non-white babies then, yes that would help. It also costs thousands of dollars just to adopt. And thousands of dollars for drug-addictive treatment.


This also doesn't address the process it takes to be eligible to adopt. So in order to vote pro-life do people have to go through a program just to see if they qualify? And then if they don't forced to vote no? I mean really. I feel those supporting this idea are just saying it out of spite without really thinking about the complications. And how this really takes away are democratic process.

The overall adoption system sucks balls, the foster care system sucks balls. These two things need to be corrected FIRST.

[Ksandra]

And that is still WAY after having fixed education and access to birth control.

"fixing" abortion is so far down the list of things that actually reduce abortion that it's kind of retarded to even be talking about.

Exactly. It is such a hot button and so far removed from being the actual solution to the problem.

[Niiro]

This also doesn't address the process it takes to be eligible to adopt. So in order to vote pro-life do people have to go through a program just to see if they qualify? And then if they don't forced to vote no? I mean really. I feel those supporting this idea are just saying it out of spite without really thinking about the complications.

You do realize you're indirectly making the argument for pro-choice when you say things like this right?

[Ksandra]

I am pro choice...that doesn't mean I think we should say "fuck you" to the democratic process and introduce laws that don't change anything. I get it, that's what pro-lifers are doing. I am not naive. That doesn't mean we should still do the same thing. And it definitely doesn't mean we should do the same thing in lieu of focusing on what would actually be beneficial.

[Niiro]

It's not like anyone's drafting legislation on the matter.

Your argument against it is the point of the hypothetical, it makes pro-life people essentially make the pro-choice argument.

[Ksandra]

It's not like anyone's drafting legislation on the matter.

Your argument against it is the point of the hypothetical, it makes pro-life people essentially make the pro-choice argument. That's the point.

I don't think "haha look at what we could do to you!" has really any point in an argument here.

It's fine as a one post comment, but people decided to discuss it, and there's nothing wrong with pointing out how it's a terrible idea.

It also, honestly, isn't even a good comparison as while people may abort for financial reasons, people don't necessarily vote pro-choice for financial reasons. I would never abort a child unless for severe medical reasons, but I would still vote pro-choice even though I could afford to have more.

[Niiro]

Many people are pro-choice for moral reasons, yes.

Morality is not a matter of law, morality is personal and should be kept that way.

[kuronosan]

Let's just call pro-life what it really is: pro-control (or anti-choice).

[Blubbartron]

Let's just call pro-life what it really is: pro-control (or anti-choice).

Pro-baby farm. There's a reason why most religions and imperial nations strongly encourage women to be pregnant all the goddamn time - more meat for the grinder.

[Ksandra]

Many people are pro-choice for moral reasons, yes.

Morality is not a matter of law, morality is personal and should be kept that way.

I agree? Not sure you are reading my posts or not...

[test123]

Let's just call pro-life what it really is: pro-control (or anti-choice).

Then let's call pro-choice what it really is: pro-murder (or anti-life)..... hipster arguments are so hipster

[archibaldcrane]

You don't know what hipster means. Stop saying it.

[Niiro]

I agree? Not sure you are reading my posts or not...

I'm not sure if you're reading your posts either.

zing~

[kuronosan]

Then let's call pro-choice what it really is: pro-murder (or anti-life)..... hipster arguments are so hipster

You're an idiot. I'll dignify this with a response just because there is something so glaringly wrong with it:

People that are pro-choice are NOT pro-murder/anti-life. They're not FOR abortion. They're AGAINST taking somebody's right to choose away.

[Day]

I see these signs/billboards talking about Pro-Abortion in NC and VA all the time. What a bunch of dicks. Who is really pro-abortion. That's not a thing, way to completely make me disregard whatever argument you may have had.

[Plow]

the biggest problem with the make people register to adopt proposal is that if you were making them adopt kids that would otherwise be aborted you'd just be putting them at the end of a long waiting list, unless you're going to make them go ahead of volunteers

[Ksandra]

I'm not sure if you're reading your posts either.

zing~

Because you keep trying to argue things I actually agree with? Ok.

[quannum]

pro-life = pro-quantity-of-life
pro-choice = pro-quality-of-life

no-life vs no-choice

[Niiro]

Because you keep trying to argue things I actually agree with? Ok.

Well you were kind of arguing a point you don't agree with but also the whole adoption thing was never really about forcing anyone to do anything, it was simply meant to prove a point.