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  1. #21
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    Why is VIT the most important stat for PGL/MNK but isn't for DRG which is also a melee DD, that extra bit of defense from plate armor can't make VIT go into the fourth spot, can it? It's a defensive stat, is MNK HP that bad?

    That site doesn't make much sense to me. DEX/Parry above Determination and Skill Speed? if you need to parry shit your tank is doing something very wrong, that or I'm missing something.

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    Yeah it's pretty bad all around, honestly.

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    looks like something you'd see upvoted on reddit tbh

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnghellicKarma View Post
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    Overall ACN/SCH stat importance: MND > Determination > PIE > Spell Speed > Critical Chance > VIT
    ACN/SCH Stat allocation: MND > PIE> VIT
    The way I play it, its more like...
    Others might not agree but this is what I'm running with and it works very well for me.

    Arcanist/Scholar
    Overall ACN/SCH stat importance: PIE > Crit Chance > MND > Determination > Spell Speed > VIT
    ACN/SCH Stat allocation: PIE > MND > VIT

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    You wouldn't know that though because you've demonstrably never picked up a book nor educated yourself on the matter. Let me guess, overweight housewife?
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    So, unlike 1.0 it looks like there's no cap on how many points you can put into a stat.

    Curious if people are just dumping everything into the primary, or doing a mix.

    In particular for WHM and BRD as those are my two 50s atm.

    Some people are saying whm has mp issues, but I feel like dumping it all into mnd is still going to be better than splitting it with piety.

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    WHM's cures are potent as shit. imo... if either of the healers need more MND it would be SCH and it doesn't even need it.
    The way I'll be gearing up my WHM is pretty similar to how I'll be doing for SCH just with less focus on crit and more on MND because WHM doesn't have the awesome Adloquium crit bonus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuroikage View Post
    The way I play it, its more like...
    Others might not agree but this is what I'm running with and it works very well for me.

    Arcanist/Scholar
    Overall ACN/SCH stat importance: PIE > Crit Chance > MND > Determination > Spell Speed > VIT
    ACN/SCH Stat allocation: PIE > MND > VIT
    Agreed with the crit weight seeing as how all of SCH's shields seem to benefit from critical heals. I've been running a heavy crit setup followed by spell speed and have been doing good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izzy View Post
    That says MND is best for WHM, but why is spell speed being discounted so much? I thought spell speed reduced your GCD as well as cast time. Obviously MND is the best stat, but it seems spell speed should be more important than determination.
    1 spell speed is 1 millisecond off gcd, you need a lot of it for it to take priority over other stats.

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    Have mathy people figured out how determination fits in yet? Better to choose STR or INT over it?

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    I think 4 determination is equal to 1 str/int.

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    I posted this in another thread, but want to ask it here as well...

    Okay, I understand that STR seems to be trending as the better option, but should we max STR or do a ratio of 2 STR to 1 VIT? What creates the overall most rounded Paladin?

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    Went all VIT for PLD, wouldn't change it until I was using Relic+1/Allagan and iLv90 VIT gear and even then it's a maybe. Only drawback is you can't hold hate from a good Warrior without them not doing any real DPS.

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    Some people say VIT helps WHM's Protect spell. I have not found anything about this yet.
    Is there any experience with this? Currently I am MND/PIE mix of 2:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ksandra View Post
    So, unlike 1.0 it looks like there's no cap on how many points you can put into a stat.
    I've been dumping full INT in to BLM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SephYuyX View Post
    Have mathy people figured out how determination fits in yet?
    The formula was tested and 2 DTR was found to be equivalent to 1 STR. However, I don't have the link.

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    For SCH, it seems like +crit should be, at worst, the second most important stat. Crit heals double the shield potency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bercus View Post
    Some people say VIT helps WHM's Protect spell. I have not found anything about this yet.
    Is there any experience with this? Currently I am MND/PIE mix of 2:1.
    Probably just a relic of 1.0, since VIT used to increase your Enhancing Magic back then. Right now, the spell description is quite clear about exactly what it will provide, and doesn't really leave any room for things that could improve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider-Dan View Post
    For SCH, it seems like +crit should be, at worst, the second most important stat. Crit heals double the shield potency.
    I just asked this in the Arcanist Thread and got a different answer. Did anyone do testing on this yet? Obviously my stat points have been going into MND, but I was curious if Determination or Crit would be better to build matera-wise.

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    I haven't seen any testing for how much a single point of +crit gets you, so it'd be hard to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider-Dan View Post
    The formula was tested and 2 DTR was found to be equivalent to 1 STR. However, I don't have the link.

    --

    For SCH, it seems like +crit should be, at worst, the second most important stat. Crit heals double the shield potency.
    Do you know how DTR is weighed against MND? I haven't been able to find any tests on it at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Podginator View Post
    Do you know how DTR is weighed against MND? I haven't been able to find any tests on it at all
    As I recall, it was the same for all; 2 DTR is equivalent to:

    - 1 STR for melee damage
    - 1 DEX for ranged damage
    - 1 INT for magic damage
    - 1 MND for healing potency

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