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  1. #7181
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    But .. but ... a healer is supposed to heal ... /s

  2. #7182
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaspinne View Post
    I can agree with the above. You should definitely be able to multi-pull by that level. But in this case the guy was spamming "pull all" over and over and over again. So I'm more inclined to lean towards the "don't be a dick" I mentioned earlier. If he has time to spam that, he should have time to be able to write "these mobs are super easy, you can pull more quite safely."
    Yes and no. I've been on both sides of the coin, where I want to pull big groups but can't due to DPS being trash/healers are undergeared. I did an Aethochemical Lore Facility run where my Healer was just too undergeared for big pulls, even though I am way overgeared for the dungeon. Rotating CDs is fine and all, but if their healing isn't up to snuff, then can't.

    Also been on the healer end where I'm overgeared AF, but the tank is appropriate/little undergeared. If they don't do their CDs properly, and would most likely not know how if they don't do bigger pulls regularly due to a lack of trust in healers/not having AoE DPS regularly/Is nub, then all the cures in the world won't be able to stop the rape train of the large pull.

  3. #7183
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dathus View Post
    Yes and no. I've been on both sides of the coin, where I want to pull big groups but can't due to DPS being trash/healers are undergeared. I did an Aethochemical Lore Facility run where my Healer was just too undergeared for big pulls, even though I am way overgeared for the dungeon. Rotating CDs is fine and all, but if their healing isn't up to snuff, then can't.

    Also been on the healer end where I'm overgeared AF, but the tank is appropriate/little undergeared. If they don't do their CDs properly, and would most likely not know how if they don't do bigger pulls regularly due to a lack of trust in healers/not having AoE DPS regularly/Is nub, then all the cures in the world won't be able to stop the rape train of the large pull.
    If you can meet the minimum i-level required to enter the dungeon, you can multi-pull. It was not a gear fault for your healer - your healer just wasn't good enough. But fair enough I get what you mean - a tank may not be able to multipull due to bad healers/dps. But that's not really the same situation - because in this case it was a tank refusing to multi-pull as they didn't want to, not after wiping due to a poor healer/dps.

  4. #7184
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    I knew a couple that haven't played in like, a year(thank God), that if they went healer/DPS instead of tank/healer, and the tank just did big pulls without warning, they let him die on purpose. I mean, I'm vindictive because I let one die during an Ifrit HM with a shitty multi-call Berserk macro, but that's just dumb. They also slow-pulled when they had one of them go as tank.

    Also, just because they hit the minimum iLevel doesn't mean they have the right gear. I've had people "cheat" their way in with wrong acc. I've seen tanks in DEX acc, DRGs in INT, you name it. And if your healer can hit the iLevel but have a weapon that's like 3-5 LEVELS lower(in my case with my ARF run), then there's also little I can do, no matter how skilled they are. Weapon damage: The ultimate speedrun gate.

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    Just because you can cheat your way in with the wrong accessories, doesn't mean you should. I wouldn't even say WD is the ultimate speedrun gate. Its called not being retarded. I know because i've recently geared up an alt character. It really isn't hard to do speedrun capable DPS if you're i210+

  6. #7186
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    One day people will learn that even if you're new, doing big pulls is better for your group as it means more damage per GCD and better CD effectiveness. If you're level 40+ there's no reason you can't handle at least two pack of mobs regardless of the dungeon. That's not even speedrunning.

  7. #7187

    I mostly pulled only around 2 groups myself simply because I don't trust my healers/dps. Yeah I know I'm a pussy, but with how bad most DPS are when I played NIN I made it a habit of assuming their brain was swiss cheese

  8. #7188
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    From a tank perspective, do a big pull at the start of a dungeon. If you die because your healer sucks, then do smaller pulls from then on. It's the best way to feel out your healer. However, if you do a big pull as a tank and don't pop CDs and then blame your healer for dying, I hate you because I've had that happen to me several times while I was playing healer XD As healer main, I'm always ready for the tank to pull big. You shouldn't automatically mistrust your healer. I'd say the ratio of bad to good healers I've run into was about 50/50. Although it can be pretty awful when you're large pulling and the dps can't kill fast enough...that usually ends up being the issue.

    I haven't done many ex dungeons this cycle because there are so many other ways to earn tomestones now. Aquapolis is great for tomestones and loot, PotD practically rains tomestones on you, PVP is more of a thing now, and we actually have dedicated people popping S ranks on Siren so between all of that I have only done the new dungeons a total of once lol. I'm glad for that though, cause having to spam the same 2 dungeons over and over is the #1 way to make me quit the game. I still have PTSD from Neverreap.

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    I personally have done any expert roulettes since I cleared them for story. I cap scripture just from POTD and bird farming lol

  10. #7190
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    How many scripts do you get for finishing a POTD run? I've only ever ran it on jobs below level 60 =X

    I've been running expert+trial for an easy 100 Scripts per day + i245 gear for my various non-Drg jobs. Add in finishing random stuff like Dun Scaith, Soul of the Creator Normal, Wonderous Tails, it's super easy to hit the 450 cap.

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    I can't recall exactly but I think it's 30 scripture, 20 lore and 20 poetics? Maaybe. All I know is that when I'm doing PotD, my cup of lore overfloweth.

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    Pens win! Pens Win!!! PENS WIN!!!!!

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    30 each time is pret-teh good. Hopefully this 3.55 update increases the cap to 900 so I can gear shit up a lot easier.

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    51-60 gives 30 Poetic, 60 Lore, 30 Scripture

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    Quote Originally Posted by octopus View Post
    I personally have done any expert roulettes since I cleared them for story. I cap scripture just from POTD and bird farming lol
    I capped scripture with light farming last week in A1S. That was pretty fun.