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    I think Ferreous Coffin meets those requirements

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    Cherukiki also meets those requirements and she's a big fan of regen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyte View Post
    I think Ferreous Coffin meets those requirements
    No shell/pro though which cuts into his mp despite the 2 refresh

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoshiku View Post
    Cherukiki also meets those requirements and she's a big fan of regen.
    Hmmm I'll have to try that out then. Does she have any way of regaining mp like auto refresh, refresh or mp ws like other whms? Karaha has been getting me into trouble AoEing almost always just at the worst time. Surrounded by easy mobs or none? Starburst. Next to an elemental? AoE time baby!

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    Cherukiki doesn't have any form of refresh, and no mp WS as she doesn't melee. She has no status cures, and likes to spend a lot of time casting dinky regen 1-3s.

    Does Karaha-Baruha always close the distance to melee or can you position mobs away from him like Kupipi?

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    Kara moves up and melees

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    Note that Cherukiki won't remove debuffs and stops casting haste around >50% MP. I'm assuming this is for a support or mage job that can't haste itself since you'd just use Koru for haste II otherwise. Can always use a trust to pro/shell and then use F. Coffin. That's what I used to before koru-moru was added.

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    My take on WHM trusts


    Cherukiki
    No autorefresh.
    Doesn't melee
    Doesen't use -na
    Does use some debuff and regen
    Uses protectra/shellra
    Uses Haste (it's a bit clunky tho, refuses to use it when under certain MP %)


    Kupipi
    Melees, but you have to bring the mob close to her.
    Uses, randomly, MP restoral WSs
    Uses -na
    Uses Protectra/shellra
    (don't remember if she debuffs, think she doesn't?)


    Mihli Ahliapoo
    Melees and gets automatically in range.
    Sometimes uses AoE WS (Scouring Bubbles, damage isn't that great either sadly)
    Uses -na
    Uses Protectra/Shellra
    Uses Afflatus Solace
    Don't think she debuffs?


    Ferreous Coffin
    Melees, only uses Randgrith and he actually does decent damage
    2mp/tic autorefresh instead of 1
    Doesn't use Prot/shell
    Uses haste
    Uses -na and he has incredible efficiency in that, he's super fast, better than the others
    Think he does use some debuff?
    Tends to spam higher tier cures than necessary


    Karaha Baruha
    Melees, and excellent damage at that
    Occasionally uses AoE moves
    Uses -na
    Uses haste
    Don't remember if he debuffs, think he does use something
    Think he does a bit too many things, sometimes his priorities get clunky



    Ferreous would be excellent to use with Koru-Moru, since this last one can singletarget Prot/shell (granted it puts a bit of a strain on his mp), but Ferreous' haste creates issues with Koru's Haste2.
    Basically Ferreous uses haste1 on you and Koru thinks you're fine and won't cast Haste2, forcing you to manually cancel the buff.
    Same issue with Cherukiki and Karaha, altough for some reason it seemed to be more annoying with Karaha, maybe it's just bias.
    Mihli would be really awesome to pair with Koru, if only she didn't have that annoying Scouring Bubbles.
    Kupipi would be much better if she could automatically get into melee range, but alas no >.>
    When I have Koru out I normally deploy either Kupipi or Mihli btw.
    Unless I'm on a class that doesn't receive Haste2 from Koru, in which case I just don't use Koru and get a WHM who uses Haste1.

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    This kinda makes me wish for the "ideal" WHM.

    Uses -na
    Afflatus Solace
    Uses Protectra/Shellra
    Auto melees in range and only uses either Starlight/Moonlight/MysticBoon or Dagan.
    Doesn't use Haste
    Doesn't use debuffs
    0mp/tic autorefresh

    Last 2 ones would be to "compensate" for the rest.
    Such a WHM would be ideal to use with Koru Moru <3
    With MP restore from WSs and Koru casting Refresh2 you probably wouldn't even need to stop and resummon :D Which I hate to do because it breaks my chains more often than not.

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    The problem I have with Koru is he has so many things to cast that if you are fighting things that die relatively fast he often never gets to some things and so when I do it I often find myself with no haste

    Oh another point for Karaha Baruha is sometimes when mp is low he will spirit taker

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    I like to pair koru-moru with kupipi if I know I'm fighting stuff that needs na spells. I think most people would rather have dual bards but they like to troll me hard on what songs I get T.T.

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    Yeah- if I'm fighting evasive stuff, I actually like to use Koru+Jaochim+Ulmia. Jaochim will cure status ailments, throw out some Cure IVs if needed, and I think gets Refresh IIs from Koru.

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    My joachim likes to randomly sing paeons, and prioritizes using his status cures on himself + other trusts, even irrelevant ones like atk down on ulmia.

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    Yeaaaaah he does do that >_>; The -nas thing is probably my biggest gripe with him.

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    They will never give an 'ideal WHM" because it would defeat the point of having different trusts with varying pros/cons. Otherwise they'd just release a perfect tank, perfect melee, perfect brd and perfect whm and be done with trusts. Mhili comes close but she doesn't haste and she AoEs. Ferreous also comes close but his MP pool is shit and he doesn't pro/shell(also no afflatus). Also different WHMs use different thresholds. For example, if I'm at 1200/1800 HP, Karaha will Cure VI me but Mhili will Cure IV me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyte View Post
    Yeaaaaah he does do that >_>; The -nas thing is probably my biggest gripe with him.
    My biggest gripe is he has nas and cures in general. As little mp as he has he blows thru it fast which just makes Ulmia start ballading. And as the only brd he never has ever done 2 of the same song for me while ulmia usually does double march

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    So from jp blog post Lhe's cipher is a mnk and uses impetus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sechs View Post
    This kinda makes me wish for the "ideal" WHM.

    Uses -na
    Afflatus Solace
    Uses Protectra/Shellra
    Auto melees in range and only uses either Starlight/Moonlight/MysticBoon or Dagan.
    Doesn't use Haste
    Doesn't use debuffs
    0mp/tic autorefresh

    Last 2 ones would be to "compensate" for the rest.
    Such a WHM would be ideal to use with Koru Moru <3
    With MP restore from WSs and Koru casting Refresh2 you probably wouldn't even need to stop and resummon :D Which I hate to do because it breaks my chains more often than not.
    Mihli is REALLY close to that and it's easy to overstate how great an inconvenience Scouring Bubbles actually is.

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    Lhe Lhangavo

    Mnk/War

    Uses Impetus/Dodge/Focus/Chakra/Provoke JAs

    So far has used Raging Fist, Backhand Blow, Dragon Kick, and Asuran Fists

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    I guess decent if fighting undead.

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    http://blog.square-enix.com/ff11/2015/02/post_449.html

    Looks like Arciela will be support and Chacharoon is melee.

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