Pandemonium Warden

[Karbuncle]

Can't steal a mobs Astral Flow unfortunately... same with Meikyo cause apparently the monster versions work differently than players.

[worldslost]

Can a blu/rdm or /run solo it? I'm thinking of giving it a whirl. Think on Final form mdt, saline coat, and barrier tusk will get me through the AF?

[Byrthnoth]

Maybe, but the adds on the final form like to spam Aspir for 10-20 MP each. Bring some MP medicine or might end up running out of MP and dying.

[worldslost]

Maybe, but the adds on the final form like to spam Aspir for 10-20 MP each. Bring some MP medicine or might end up running out of MP and dying.

I have tizona I am hoping that will keep my mp up but I will grab some meds to be on the safe side, thanks for the reminder on the aspir thing.

[Mercilessturtle]

Are avatar's astral flows damage based on MAB or not? I'm trying to decide if I should take a geo for MAB down to survive the last form, or if I should just take a smn and PD it.

[Tarage]

Are avatar's astral flows damage based on MAB or not? I'm trying to decide if I should take a geo for MAB down to survive the last form, or if I should just take a smn and PD it.

I PDed it and every time I lived.

[Mercilessturtle]

Yeah, but then I can only do one and a smn is basically worthless for the first part of the fight. If a geo's -mab affects astral flows then they are a much nicer option. I just don't know if it does or not.

[bechyni]

PD is the easiest route to go

[Yeager]

An alternative to using PD (especially true if you're doing multiple PW) is having a GEO use a combo of Indi-Fend and Geo-Attunement. We did 6 PW last night and not one of them were able to kill us with AF unless they were outside of range of the GEO's effect or in the other party.

[frodnonnag]

Yeah, but then I can only do one and a smn is basically worthless for the first part of the fight. If a geo's -mab affects astral flows then they are a much nicer option. I just don't know if it does or not.

Any smn geared for 119 will essentially be able to one and two shot every form up to the final one.

[JeanPaul]

Can't steal a mobs Astral Flow unfortunately... same with Meikyo cause apparently the monster versions work differently than players.

Dunno about Astral Flow, but I have stolen Meikyo from Tenzen and gotten both the 3000% TP as well as the WSs costing 1000 TP each effect of it.

Can a blu/rdm or /run solo it? I'm thinking of giving it a whirl. Think on Final form mdt, saline coat, and barrier tusk will get me through the AF?

It's possible, but requires some element of luck. Use Lux Vallation in the final form, as the most damaging effect he has will likely come from Diabolos. Note that you can't stun the Lamps, so don't go relying on Whirl of Rage or Thunderbolt to save yourself.

[dasva]

Dunno about Astral Flow, but I have stolen Meikyo from Tenzen and gotten both the 3000% TP as well as the WSs costing 1000 TP each effect of it.

Tenzen's ability works differently and is like true Meikyo. Other mobs instead just have their AI changed to do 3 ws.

[Karbuncle]

Tenzen's ability works differently and is like true Meikyo. Other mobs instead just have their AI changed to do 3 ws.

^ This.

IDK why they did Tenzen like that, but for most mobs (Beastmen in Dynamis and such), Meikyo just causes 3 WS to go off. SE explained it "worked differently" and would not be able to be stolen via Larceny back before it was released.

[Tarage]

Any smn geared for 119 will essentially be able to one and two shot every form up to the final one.

I could always solo every form up to the final one. If I could have somehow PDed while having Garuda out, it would be cake.

[frodnonnag]

I could always solo every form up to the final one. If I could have somehow PDed while having Garuda out, it would be cake.

problem really isn't that we can or can't PD, it's that our avatars will bite it due to pets on the final form. they nuke suprisingly hard against avatars and i have difficulty landing pacts on an unclaimed pandemonium warden in a solo situation due to that. If an avatar has his and his pet's attention, they will frequently die during the 'chargeup' before pacts even land.

[dasva]

What about having a trust tanking? They have surprisingly good resistance

[Fwahm]

Without things like Aegis or MAB- bubbles, pet TIV nukes still do like 300 with 50% mdt and >400 magic evasion. With 10 lamps, that builds up pretty fast on a single target if you don't have a dedicated healer.