Relic / Atma / Zodiac / Novus / Nexus Weapon information

[kisada]

anyone know where i can find info on 130 weapons vs their zodiac counterparts, or at least current stat ratios? trying to figure out which ones, if any, where 130 wouldn't be better.

[Sigmakan]

I split Pharos' first floor into two pulls because whenever I think we'll be fine I get pasted by RNG and retards with ST handout weapons.

The vulnerability down from those fish-birds is brutal. Tank HP evaporates sometimes

[Ratatapa]

anyone know where i can find info on 130 weapons vs their zodiac counterparts, or at least current stat ratios? trying to figure out which ones, if any, where 130 wouldn't be better.

xivdb.com and search the weapon you want

[Raldo]

anyone know where i can find info on 130 weapons vs their zodiac counterparts, or at least current stat ratios? trying to figure out which ones, if any, where 130 wouldn't be better.

Also, unless I see a weapon that shows otherwise, the caps for i125 zodiac should be
49 crit/ss/acc/parry
35 det
?? pie

The only weapon that's probably a clear win in its i125 form is probably just the summoner book (acc/ss, really SE?)

[kisada]

xivdb.com and search the weapon you want

what i mean is which zodiac weapons are equal or better based on secondary stats. so how much is 1 WD = x base stat = y crit = z det

[kisada]

Also, unless I see a weapon that shows otherwise, the caps for i125 zodiac should be
49 crit/ss/acc/parry
35 det
?? pie

The only weapon that's probably a clear win in its i125 form is probably just the summoner book (acc/ss, really SE?)

yeah lol. i would think that yoichi is better too with max crit/det than the 130?

[Raldo]

yeah lol. i would think that yoichi is better too with max crit/det than the 130?

I mathed it out in the Bard thread, and using the Aralya stat weights the 130 came out ever so slightly ahead. That said, ~7.5 of the points for the i130 bow were from skill speed, so it loses its lead in any fight where you'd find yourself out of TP.

What's the crit/det caps on i125? 49/35?

Difference is 1WDMG 3DEX 51SS vs 49CRIT 10DET
(9.153 + 3 + 55*0.146) vs (49*0.315 + 10*0.318)
20.183 vs 18.615
(9.153 + 3 + 51*0.146) vs (49*0.315 + 10*0.318)
19.599 vs 18.615

Using those weights, aug irontech wins slightly

Just realized I made a small mistake in the math, so the difference is even less than I originally calculated

To summarize, using those stat weights, the difference in those two bows comes out to less than 1 DEX difference.

[kisada]

good info, thanks!

edit beep think i found the stat weight info

[Taint]

The vulnerability down from those fish-birds is brutal. Tank HP evaporates sometimes

I always just burn HG on the first pull. The rest of the dungeon is a joke. Unfortunately I've done that dungeon around 20 times in the past week and still need to get the zodiac item.

[kisada]

I mathed it out in the Bard thread, and using the Aralya stat weights the 130 came out ever so slightly ahead. That said, ~7.5 of the points for the i130 bow were from skill speed, so it loses its lead in any fight where you'd find yourself out of TP.

Just realized I made a small mistake in the math, so the difference is even less than I originally calculated

To summarize, using those stat weights, the difference in those two bows comes out to less than 1 DEX difference.

this was really helpful for me to figure this stuff out. but how about auto attack damage, isn't that important to weight in these equations as well?

[Raldo]

this was really helpful for me to figure this stuff out. but how about auto attack damage, isn't that important to weight in these equations as well?

Excellent point, I always forget about auto-attacks. This is going to be super hand-wavey since there isn't really much hard data to go off of when it comes to auto-attacks (that I'm aware of, anyway).

1) The auto-attack delays are identical between the two bows! No difference, that simplifies things! Equal footing!
2) The auto-attack damage (for lack of any other term) is 51.68 vs 50.67. The i130 bow is a winner here, but I'm not really sure how this value is used in damage calculations.
3) Ignoring auto-attack damage, the Zodiac bow actually has more POWER behind it. This is because skill speed is completely useless (afaik) when it comes to auto-attacks.

In conclusion: Combining #2 (in favor of i130 bow) and #3 (in favor of Zodiac)... it's hard to say definitively one way or the other, especially since I don't really know what impact the auto-attack damage value has. Either way, the difference is incredibly small. If you have, or are close to, a well-melded Zodiac bow, I wouldn't waste your tomes on the i120 bow, or if you already have that, I'd spend your first Carbontwine on something other than your weapon; you're more likely to get more mileage out of the +4-or-more DEX from upgrading left-side gear.

Bonus note: Remember that having a lower iLv weapon will gimp your LB to some extent, but idk how much. Also, you're down a little bit of VIT if you go with Zodiac, if that's important to you.
Bonus note 2: I'm just plugging shit into already-established values/equations here to slack off at work, and I'm not generally an avid theorycrafter, so take this all with a grain of salt. If someone here comes in and comes to a different conclusion, they're probably right.

[kisada]

yeah, makes sense. i'm looking at it from a war perspective and my own stats only afford like a 2.5 str difference. but that's not including AA or vit.

it definitely does seem like the edge is pretty small, and if i were maining bard i would be thinking i'd rather use a yoichi rather than a heavy skillspeed bow.

[Voyage1970]

Auto-attack potency is weapon delay/3. To think of it another way it's Auto-Attack damage/WD but it gets the (relatively) same result. In this case since both weapons have the same delay you're looking at an AA potency of about 101.

[Luthia]

Got my sch Zodiac last week and have been slowly working on Yoichi. Has anyone notice that when you stop doing dungeons for a while, the next dungeon you que gets you 1/1 on the relic item? So far it's happened at least 6 times where I burn out of spammin dungeons and Ill go craft or gather for a few hours, then bam, next dungeon I que gets me the item. Im half tempted to go test it with DD/AV, But I aint that crazy xD

[Ratatapa]

Time to start my 2nd relic, but will go casually on that one

edit : started with 1/1 Haukke HM lol

[Deadgye]

All you have to do for considering auto attacks is look at WD. AA Potency is equalized depending on the delay. So a long delay bow with z WD and a short delay bow with z WD will do the same damage. If I remember it correctly.

[Niiro]

Yea I was always under the assumption that AA damage and delay were ultimately inconsequential because they all just evened out in the end, they were never supposed to be relevant criteria for choosing a weapon.

[Jkun]

http://www.crazysunshine.com/ffxiv/2014december/z1.png

Ech, in the right light with a different colour they don't look that bad, still gonna miss lil' Sphairai though. It's so hard to decide on colours when your character is constantly jiggling around the preview screen with the weapon out, hah.

[Arthars]

after 3 days of messing around DF slowly going as DPS, because im so sick of going as warrior after 2 rounds, i finally come down to this....

http://mectradegroup.org/FFXIV/omg.jpg

fuck me......... top 4 god damnit boring dungeons...

[Kaslo]

after 3 days of messing around DF slowly going as DPS, because im so sick of going as warrior after 2 rounds, i finally come down to this....

http://mectradegroup.org/FFXIV/omg.jpg

fuck me......... top 4 god damnit boring dungeons...

At least you can roulette!