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    Rehauled Weapon Skills: tier lists

    I'd love to start a thread to consolidate all the information spread around about the rehauled WS

    Motenten posted some on FFXIAH, would be great if we could do it for all weapon types and put the data into this thread.
    Of course these will need a lot of updating after testing the new TP anchor values (TP multipliers, crit rates etc) and various other bonuses (accuracy, attack and so on)

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    Separated WS for jobs under Dagger category because of how job specific JAs change the way the tier lists are compiled (SA, TA, Climactic Flourish etc)


    Hand-to-hand
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    All of these numbers are assuming crit ratio for Victory Smite, Stringing Pummel and Ascetic's Fury are the same as they were before the patch.
    Not taking into consideration external buffs which would only affect specific WS (like Impetus or Rogue Roll)
    Using generic gear for all them, not optimal. There might be small differences/changes with BiS gear for each WS but overall these should remain the tier lists for H2H WS, more or less

    1000 TP (Shijin goes to first place at 2,25 cRatio, Howling and Raging swap place at 2,25 cRatio)
    0) Stringing Pummel (KKK)
    1) Victory Smite / Stringing Pummel (no KKK)
    2) Ascetic's Fury (Glanz? No Glanz? Not specified in Mote's graphs)
    3) Shijin Spiral (5/5)
    4) Final Heaven (Relic)
    5) Asuran Fists
    6) Howling Fist
    7) Raging Fists
    8) Tornado Kick
    9) Dragon Kick
    10) Combo

    2000 TP 0.50 cRatio
    0) Stringing Pummel (KKK)
    1) Victory Smite / Stringing Pummel (no KKK)
    2) Howling Fist
    3) Raging Fists
    4) Ascetic's Fury (Glanz? No Glanz?)
    5) Tornado Kick
    6) Shijin Spiral
    7) Final Heaven / Dragon Kick
    8) Asuran Fists / Combo

    2000 TP 2.25 cRatio
    1) Raging Fists / Stringing Pummel (KKK)
    2) Tornado Kick
    3) Victory Smite / Stringing Pummel (no KKK) / Shijin Spiral
    4) Howling Fist / Dragon Kick
    5) Final Heaven
    6) Asuran Fists / Combo
    7) Ascetic's Fury (wow, this further down?)

    3000 TP 0.50 cRatio
    1) Howling Fist
    2) Raging Fists
    3) Stringing Pummel (KKK)
    4) Victory Smite / Stringing Pummel (no KKK)
    5) Tornado Kick
    6) Dragon Kick
    7) Ascetic's Fury
    8) Combo
    9) Shijin Spiral
    10) Final Heaven
    11) Asuran Fists

    3000 TP 2,25 cRatio
    1) Raging Fists
    2) Tornado Kick
    3) Dragon Kick / Howling Fist
    4) Stringing Pummel (KKK)
    5) Combo
    6) Victory Smite / Stringing Pummel (no KKK)
    7) Shijin Spiral
    8) Final Heaven
    9) Asuran Fists
    10) Ascetic's Fury



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    Unstacked weaponskills:
    111 = New Evisceration
    102 = New Dancing Edge & New 5/5 Exenterator (100% att bonus on first hit)
    >100 = Current 5/5 Exenterator (no attack bonus used)
    93 = Current Dancing Edge
    89 = Current Evisceration


    Thf, stacked weaponskills (SA)
    131 = New Mercy Stroke w/Mandau
    116 = Current Mercy Stroke w/Mandau
    116 = New Rudra's Storm
    115 = New Mandalic Stab w/Vajra (no AM3)
    100 = New Evisceration
    >100 = Current Rudra's Storm
    96 = New Shark Bite
    95 = New Dancing Edge
    95 = Current 5/5 Exenterator
    89 = Current Dancing Edge
    89 = New Mandalic Stab
    83 = Current Evisceration
    77 = Current Shark Bite
    62 = Current Mandalic Stab


    Dancer
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    1) Rudra's Storm / Evisceration
    2) Pyrrhic Kleos (Terpsichore)
    3) Dancing Edge
    4) Pyrrhic Kleos
    5) Exenterator 5/5
    6) Shark Bite

    full test found HERE


    ddBard
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    1) Rudra's Storm (1800+ TP)
    2) Mordant Rime (Carnwenhan)
    3) Rudra's Storm (1300+ TP)
    4) Evisceration / Mordant Rime
    5) Exenterator
    Full details HERE



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    ?? - Atonement (1190 is the new base damage cap)


    Great Swords


    Axes


    Great Axes


    Scythes


    Polearms


    Katanas


    Great Katanas


    Clubs


    Staves


    Bows


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    Sneak attack ws on lvl 1 mob is still the only/best/easiest/most accurate way to find new ftp?

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    Early impression of Great Sword: The changes are somewhere between jack and shit. Ground strike pulling about 4-4.5k ... at 3000 TP to Reso's 3k whenthefuckever.




    Far be it from me to expect SE to figure out that 3x the TP should mean more or less 3x the damage.

    Getting 17.5tp/hit on RUN/SAM though, so this might not be a total wash. I'll move to Scythe next, but I'm only gonna want/do hard testing if I see something worth three quarters of a flying fuck.

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    Garland of Bliss seems to be doing more WS damage.

    EDIT: Spoke too soon.

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    Max I've been able to get out of Atonement so far (with 119 Burt) is 1492 dmg.

    Pretty underwhelming.

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    Fudo did 6k@120 tp no overwhelm on low lvl stuff might be awesome!

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    Seems like a good place to post WS testing, so.

    Atonement New cap appears to be 1190. So 1332 DMG with max WS DMG+ gear, then 1731 with Burtgang.

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    http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/324796 for Wildfire got me around 3200ish pre update, now, im getting 4195. nice boost.

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    528 delay scythe is 146 tp/hit, whereas it was 144 before. Looks like all SE did was flatten out the TP formula from 0-530.

    So it's a sick fucking joke that relegates DRK further into Ragtard or GTFO status.

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    These bonuses if you're at 3000tp are pretty fricken huge. All main handing 119Mandau.

    Mercy Stroke 6596, 6763
    Shark Bite 8125
    Rudra's Storm 12375
    Mandalic Stab 8863

    Bully SAWS, first hit landing only, fairies in abyssea la theine but the only buffs I had on me was hp cruor.

    1070-1100tp Rudra's Storm = 6814, 6725


    Well, something looks really wrong there. No way in hell Rudra should be doing anywhere close to Mercy.

    1100tp Rudra's Storm = 7075 main handing 119Twashtar

    Also, TP gain rate is about 55tp/hit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelia View Post
    528 delay scythe is 146 tp/hit, whereas it was 144 before. Looks like all SE did was flatten out the TP formula from 0-530.

    So it's a sick fucking joke that relegates DRK further into Ragtard or GTFO status.
    Anni with Achi ammo went from 16.6 TP/round to 187. minimal increase as well.
    Katana 210/190 delays went from 4.6TP per hit to 54, no gear

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    Situation seems pretty messy and out of control atm, people getting random numbers haha.
    Was that 12k Rudra's Storm without SA/TA? And on what sort of target? Seems insane.


    Edit:
    nvm you said it was Bully+SA, ok, looks more realistic now But DNC with Climactic Flourish should get similar results I guess.

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    Unstacked Mercy doesn't actually seem as horrible as it use to be, not as good as rehashed Exen, or Evis but just toying around with it, I was averaging 3500~ unstacked with just the 1st hit in Marjami. Evis is really nice right now, I was seeing upwards to 6k on Marjami mobs on non-piercing weak targets.

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    So dnc/thf seems to win this update ? Samurai with koga def seems much better too now but need more testing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Classikmage View Post
    Unstacked Mercy doesn't actually seem as horrible as it use to be, not as good as rehashed Exen, or Evis but just toying around with it, I was averaging 3500~ unstacked with just the 1st hit in Marjami. Evis is really nice right now, I was seeing upwards to 6k on Marjami mobs on non-piercing weak targets.
    Your post is in line with the Tier list I posted (originally from Motenten).
    New Evis is a beast and gives less and less reasons to go 5/5 Exenterator.
    New Evis probably loses a lot from being stacked with Climactic Flourish and Sneak Attack. Mercy Stroke and Rudra's Storm are probably kings there (Rudra >>>> anything else if stacked and 300TP, I bet)
    Wonder if on DNC it would be smart to waste Ternary Flourish Cooldowns on the DA/TA ones instead than Climactic Flourish, and still use Evisceration?

    Another nice part for these things is SC properties. Exenterator had pretty mehish properties (level 2) whereas with Rudra you get pretty sexy ones.
    For instance, in a situation where you can use SC 3 times in a row: Pyrrhic + Evis > Darkness + Rudra > Double Darkness.
    That would be an insane amount of damage, especially considering the new resist thing of SCs and the additional SC damage bonus traits DNCs get.


    Now the real question is: Will this be enough to give more chances to DNC to get a party/alliance spot for some content?
    I doubt it, but given previous changes, these changes and the upcoming efficiency increase to Steps, then it might just be good enough for DNC to be considered a valid alternative to other DDs.
    Not considering THF because, even if not much, THFs already get chances to get into PTs/Alliances because of TH.

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    Working on Sword WSs that BLU can use, starting with Expiacion. Means someone else will have to do Swift Blade and Death Blossom.

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    It was already to the point sam or gtfo. This may be the nail in the coffin for other 2hand dd jobs

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    3000% Fudo doing consistent 13700 damage to bees in Yashe(99% sure attack is capped). Seems the fTP scales like freaking crazy on the WS where damage varies with TP.

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