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    Frieza was no where near Goku in SSJ. Goku fucking STOPPED the fight, because he was BORED and he knew Frieza couldn't beat him so he said fuck it, this fight is done. Until Frieza decided he wanted to try and fight him anyways.

    Also, Gohan in SSJ2 walloped the shit out of Cell and would have beat him in seconds had it not been for the usual Sajin bravado bull shit.

    You're smoking shit if you think that Frieza was anywhere near any SSJ. Also Cooler > Frieza with his extra form.

    Also, remember Metal Frieza vs trunks...? Anyone?

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    After Freeza went 100% he temporarily gained the upperhand against Goku but was unable to maintain it/bring out its full potential for long due to injuries sustained, eventually starting to get weaker as Goku dominated via superior tactics/experience/power.

    I can't view Insanecyclone's video, I'm not in the right country. What does it say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SephYuyX View Post
    Uh, I guess this is going over everyone's head.

    So, seriously, Frieza is probably one of the most favored villians in DB, not only does he have the most lore, and interesting back story / mentality, his power scale is insane. He is the only villian who has given the saiyans a true run for their money, and is stronger than the other members of his family, as well as Broly, Cell and Buu. In the last movie it was stated (Beerus poked fun at Goku) that Goku couldnt even beat Frieza if the two fought again. Even if comparing to DBGT he is stronger than Omega Shenron.

    Frieza has been training every moment of his life, even in hell, and has the most techniques and forms than any other villian.

    He is basically a saiyan equivalent in villian/alien form.

    He might be the joke first boss in the anime (even though he barely lost), but in the manga he is nothing to laugh at (even though he always ends up losing because the good guys need to win).

    I've a feeling this movie will be amazing, it will be like what the first anime fight was, just on a more insane power level. Will he probably lose in the end? Sure, but it will be one hell of a go, and I bet he'll manage to kill off a few people too.

    Cant wait.
    this is a special category of dumb/stupid/retarded/wrong. We'll call this the aksyanni zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SephYuyX View Post
    Uh, I guess this is going over everyone's head.

    So, seriously, Frieza is probably one of the most favored villians in DB, not only does he have the most lore, and interesting back story / mentality, his power scale is insane. He is the only villian who has given the saiyans a true run for their money, and is stronger than the other members of his family, as well as Broly, Cell and Buu. In the last movie it was stated (Beerus poked fun at Goku) that Goku couldnt even beat Frieza if the two fought again. Even if comparing to DBGT he is stronger than Omega Shenron.

    Frieza has been training every moment of his life, even in hell, and has the most techniques and forms than any other villian.

    He is basically a saiyan equivalent in villian/alien form.

    He might be the joke first boss in the anime (even though he barely lost), but in the manga he is nothing to laugh at (even though he always ends up losing because the good guys need to win).

    I've a feeling this movie will be amazing, it will be like what the first anime fight was, just on a more insane power level. Will he probably lose in the end? Sure, but it will be one hell of a go, and I bet he'll manage to kill off a few people too.

    Cant wait.
    Frieza is just a nostalgia villain because he was first major villain about when most people started watching db.

    IIRC, frieza never trained and was just born with all his power. He was never challenged and never had to change forms. He knew a SS could beat him and that is why he destroyed the saiyan race as best he could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abandon View Post
    this is a special category of dumb/stupid/retarded/wrong. We'll call this the aksyanni zone.
    ^ Pretty sure even Tien could have gravely wounded Frieza at the point where he fucking forcefully held back Semi-Perfect Cell, who could have literally used Max Power Frieza as toilet paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stig View Post
    After Freeza went 100% he temporarily gained the upperhand against Goku but was unable to maintain it/bring out its full potential for long due to injuries sustained, eventually starting to get weaker as Goku dominated via superior tactics/experience/power.

    I can't view Insanecyclone's video, I'm not in the right country. What does it say?
    Beerus being surprised someone defeated Freiza because he would of other wise of done it after waking it. It's at the start of Battle of Gods.

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    Even the idea of Freiza coming back has already been done like 2-3 times within the movies/z/gt, and each time I'm pretty sure he was one-shotted lol.

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    I'd rather see a movie about General/Cyborg Tao training his balls off and coming back to legitimately challenge one of the earthlings than this. Freezemaster is nice and all, but its been overdone. Its done in canon, its done in filler, its done in GT.

    Put it to bed. Make some rogue Kai or something to fight. Frieza isn't even a threat, nor are his tens of thousands of mooks with powerlevels that struggle to reach 5k.

    Seriously. Tao's blade hand rush in Budokai Tenkaichi 3 was amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insanecyclone View Post
    Beerus being surprised someone defeated Freiza because he would of other wise of done it after waking it. It's at the start of Battle of Gods.
    Ah sorry, in that case I wasn't being specific enough. I was referring to Seph's comment of:

    In the last movie it was stated (Beerus poked fun at Goku) that Goku couldnt even beat Frieza if the two fought again.
    and because of that I mentioned that I don't remember hearing that and I'll have to rewatch, this is where you linked the clip

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    Ah. I'd have to watch it again to see if/when he says that. Vid was just him being surprised as shit that a saiyan beat freiza is all.

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    Anything beyond Frieza being SSJ2+ level is fucking pointless. Broly is stronger than Frieza. Cell in imperfect form is stronger than Frieza. Piccalo, Tien, etc at this point. The only ones left that he could be are Krillin and Yamcha...

    That last clip could be from a movie, but I don't remember at this point.

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    Fuck you, Krillin also killed Cell too!

    Non-canon pondering
    It makes you wonder too. If King Kai was so terrified of Frieza but knew about Bojack in his planet, the fuck was he so scared about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrClout View Post
    Fuck you, Krillin also killed Cell too!

    Non-canon pondering
    It makes you wonder too. If King Kai was so terrified of Frieza but knew about Bojack in his planet, the fuck was he so scared about?
    Wasn't the term power creep coined from DB/Z?

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    Why did Tien get so powerful btw? All the other characters had some voodoo explanation for their power boosts (Piccolo fusing with other people, saiyans going SS, Krillin has a few magic boosts on Namek and elsewhere). But Tien just seems to show up and be a boss for short periods of time with nothing more than a few scenes of training montages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alarial View Post
    Why did Tien get so powerful btw? All the other characters had some voodoo explanation for their power boosts (Piccolo fusing with other people, saiyans going SS, Krillin has a few magic boosts on Namek and elsewhere). But Tien just seems to show up and be a boss for short periods of time with nothing more than a few scenes of training montages.
    He was basically the most bad-ass human. That's pretty much it. I think he was ALWAYS training like Goku.

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    Frieza's a good villain imo, so if he does get some kind of asspull to get power I'll enjoy it. It's DBZ you fuckheads, the logic of it all isn't relevant. Gohan got a power up by sitting around with a dude that was reading porn mags for hours.

    But if you do want to get into specifics then yes, Frieza's race gets power based on how long they're alive. They (generally) don't train because it's not needed, especially when they had no equal up until Goku came around. Cooler was the only one who trained, and that's because Frieza made fun of him. Theoretically Frieza could access Cooler's fifth form but it was clearly not a very large boost. Goku in the same SSJ form that beat Frieza decisively beat him with only moderate difficulty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantrag View Post
    He was basically the most bad-ass human. That's pretty much it. I think he was ALWAYS training like Goku.
    Tien in theory could be ridiculously powerful. If you assume his base is pretty high by Buu Saga (it is, he punches Super Buu and it does damage) then you can throw in that he also has access to Kaio-ken but never uses it due to not having a real opponent or enough screen time. If he can take it up to x20 like Goku did (or higher..) he would be ridiculous. At least Perfect Cell level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tymon View Post
    Frieza's a good villain imo, so if he does get some kind of asspull to get power I'll enjoy it. It's DBZ you fuckheads, the logic of it all isn't relevant. Gohan got a power up by sitting around with a dude that was reading porn mags for hours.

    But if you do want to get into specifics then yes, Frieza's race gets power based on how long they're alive. They (generally) don't train because it's not needed, especially when they had no equal up until Goku came around. Cooler was the only one who trained, and that's because Frieza made fun of him. Theoretically Frieza could access Cooler's fifth form but it was clearly not a very large boost. Goku in the same SSJ form that beat Frieza decisively beat him with only moderate difficulty.
    Except Frieza was basically one of Beerus(sp)'s minions lol. So Frieza knew about the gods(as did Vegeta). It was actually Beerus that ordered the killing of planet Vegeta, not Frieza being scared of the SSJ legends. But, that's assuming the new movie is the new canon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alarial View Post
    Why did Tien get so powerful btw? All the other characters had some voodoo explanation for their power boosts (Piccolo fusing with other people, saiyans going SS, Krillin has a few magic boosts on Namek and elsewhere). But Tien just seems to show up and be a boss for short periods of time with nothing more than a few scenes of training montages.
    Tien constantly trains and his Kikouhou is unique in that its power is based off of life energy, not "spirit energy" (ki). Using the Kikouhou kills you with each successive attack once you've crossed over the realm of normal fatigue, but that's also why its so goddamn strong in comparison to one's power level or reserves of ki.

    Had Goku ever learned to use it, the show wouldn't have been that exciting. With his absurd Sayian stamina and his shounen hero status, each fight would consist of a barrage of kikouhous, a vaporized enemy, and a Goku collapsing on the ground half-dead.... so basically the same as normal except with Kikouhous instead of Kaiyokens.

    Back to the Frieza being a mook thing, shit, the Androids could each take down at least 3-5 max power Friezas at a time. Trunks beasted Frieza without breaking a sweat, and was summarily beasted by 17. The future versions were far stronger than the current ones, so they'd probably take 10 or so Friezas at the same time while laughing on a carnival ride.

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    Actually its the opposite, Future 17 and 18 were substantially weaker than the main timeline.

    Goku with Kikouhou would get a Zenkai after like 5 blasts. Dude would be Beerus level by the Namek Saga.

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