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We did that earlier and they did not appear to give an additional attack bonus with the wyvern out. It could be sort of like COR pants where you get the wyvern bonus even without the wyvern present sometimes with AF3+2 pants, but that hasn't been tested yet.Originally Posted by Ophannus
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2012-11-23 18:33 #41
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2012-11-23 18:43 #42Nidhogg
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I suppose that would make Soul Jump better to use when the Wyvern is dead than High Jump.
One more thing if you guys could verify for the lulz. I've never seen Jumps miss during Spirit Surge like ever. Care to do a few blind potion+Jump+h2h tests during SS to see if 1) SS makes Jumps 100% accurate or 2) Gives a massive acc bonus? JP Wiki says Spirit Surge gives like +70 or something acc but I don't know if that applies to Jumps or just in general.
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2012-11-23 19:08 #43Old Merits
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I actually did a small test for that today. The Spirit surge Jump acc I mean.
Tested on Abununnu.
No wep.
Safe to say it's 100% acc, I think. Although.... should probably check if that applies to spirit/soul Jump. Not that you'd be using them during Spirit surge. But spirit surge bonuses(like the def- on jump) don't apply to spirit/soul jump... as far as i know... <,<;;Code:Ability Damage Player Abil. Dmg Abs'd.Dmg Net Dmg Abil. % Hit/Miss A.Acc % A.Low/Hi A.Avg Martel 174 0 174 100.00 % 42/0 100.00 % 0/32 4.14 - Jump 174 0 174 100.00 % 42/0 100.00 % 0/32 4.14
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2012-11-23 19:16 #44Nidhogg
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Maybe SP2 also makes them 100% acc?
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2012-11-23 19:20 #45Old Merits
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I've got 1k+ jumps I've already done under SP2 at anywhere from 50%~90% acc, I'm gonna say SP2 doesn't affect jump acc.
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2012-11-23 19:20 #46The Syrup To Waffles's Waffle
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Figured with the Jump discussion going on that I'd add the both Soul Jump and Spirit Jump have 1CE and 0VE regardless of damage dealt with or without Wyvern present and have no additional effect on enmity. Ryunohige doesn't change this. I suppose other gear may, but I doubt it.
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2012-11-23 22:43 #47
Further tests from Martel:
* High Jump attack is not enhanced by Drachen Greaves +1 or Wyrm Brais +2:
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* Soul Jump without the Wyvern present is not enhanced by AF3+2 legs:
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* Soul Jump with the Wyvern present does in fact receive a large attack bonus, assumed to be 50% for the reasons outlined:
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Ratio capped, so we can't get a precise value from this:
578/159/1.16 = 3.134, so we're almost at the 3.15 max = >2.61 wRatio
490/159/1.16 = 2.65 Ratio = <3.03 wRatio.
The previous test indicates a 50% attack bonus and this test doesn't disallow the possibility (2.68 ). Also, the distribution of values above/below 3.0 is pretty promising for a value towards the lower end of the above range. Due to the lack of evidence against I'm going to assume it's 50% still.
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2012-11-24 00:30 #48Old Merits
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Spirit/Soul Jump enmity reduction tests.
In pursuit of the truth of the lancer cuissots +2 soul jump enhancement, I'm testing pretty much the last thing I wanted it to be.
As the tier2 jumps have an enmity related effect already, and soul jump is the higher level version of high jump, it's fairly plausible that this could be the lancer enhancement.
But it's not... At least as far as I can tell. By all means, if I did any of this wrong, let me know.
Test procedure.
Martel: DRG99/BRD49. Wep, Kingdom signet staff(1DMG)
Arduwyn: SCH99/BRD49
Both players have 0 enmity +/- enhancements(gear, merits, etc.)
Arduwyn Accessions stoneskin to both players.
Ard then pulls a mob with a threnody. +100 CE for the spell, +200 for the act of first pull. 300 Total CE.
Martel casts threnody x3(300 VE), then waits ~12 second to allow VE to decay.(240 VE*3= 720. 720 / 60 = 12 seconds for full decay. But as VE decays after the first cast, and casting takes time, the full 12 is not required after the third threnody)
Players are now tied on CE, with the mob targeting Martel because he acted most recently.
Martel uses the jump for the current test. As spirit/soul jump only yield 1 CE, this will put Martel at 301 CE and Ard at 300, assuming no enmity reduction on jump. So, unless the reduction is only 1 CE, the mob should turn to Ard.
Observe mob.
Test1
Soul Jump, no gear. no wyvern
Result: Mob stayed on Martel. No reduction
Data:
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Test2
Soul jump, No gear, with wyvern
Result: Mob stayed on Martel. No reduction
Data:
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Test3
Soul Jump, Lancer legs, with wyvern
Result: Mob stayed on Martel. No reduction
Data:
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Test4
Soul Jump, Lancer legs, no wyvern
Result: Mob stayed on Martel. No reduction
Data:
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Test6
Spirit Jump, No wyvern
Result: Mob stayed on Martel. No reduction
Data:
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Test6
Spirit Jump, with wyvern
Result: Mob stayed on Martel. No reduction
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Test6
Soul Jump, Lancer legs, with wyvern
Reversed procedure. Martel pulls, Ard casts threnody x3
Result: Hate shifted to Martel. No reduction
Data:
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There does not seem to be any actual CE reduction fron any combination of jump/wyvern/gear.
The possiblitily of an enmity related enhancement on lancer legs still remains. But if that's the case, it only affects VE. Be an even bigger pain to test.
An Enmity reduction was pretty much my last bet on this. I have no idea wtf to even test now. perhaps its something only visible from the target's side. TP dmg ala' spirit surge? Getting pretty out there now.
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2012-11-24 13:04 #49
So, one last Enmity idea is that these pants may work like Super Jump with Spirit Surge up, so they would reduces the enmity of the person directly behind you by 50% when you use Soul Jump with them on. This could be tested by:
Mule pulls with Threnody (0 vs. 300 CE, mule has hate)
Martel casts 3 Threnodies (300 vs. 300 CE, Martel has hate now)
Martel uses Super Jump from directly in front of the mule (301 vs. ??? CE, Martel will still have hate)
Mule uses Pianissimo (301 vs. ???+1 CE : 301 with no reduction, so mule would pull hate if it doesn't work like this)
Or it could be if the mule is between you and the monster similar to Trick Attack.
I don't really know about those pants. I made a list here and I feel like we've eliminated all the reasonable options.
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2012-11-25 14:12 #50Old Merits
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More jump stuff
Spirit Surge + Spirit/soul Jump
Just confirmed that Spirit surge's 100% Jump acc does Not work on spirit/soul jump. Forgot to Check High Jump, But safe to assume it does the the 100% acc. I'll edit it in later
Test data.
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Next, spirit Surge jump add effects.
Confirmed That the Jump Def- does not work with spirit jump. Spirit surged and SP2'd, then jumped one mob, and spirit jump the other and waited. Only got a wear off msg from the Jumped mob.
Test:
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I'm going to assume the TP DMG on SS'd High jump won't proc on soul jump.
Vougier's Contus
Did a test for the Jump DA effect. First, and most important. The DA effect applies to all jumps.
Next, proc rate came out as 4.66%, so I'd probably call it 5%DA
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2012-11-25 18:39 #51
Two more Martel tests! The first is Drake's Ring and the second is Ryunohige:
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The Drake Ring results perfectly mirror the earlier Jump damages under the same conditions (literally the same limits, 2.09~2.13 Ratio), so it's unlikely that Drake Ring adds attack, base damage, or any kind of multi-attack. Martel was swapping his grip when he hit >75% TP and didn't get cruor HP buffs so it'd be easier to keep his HP below the 75% outside threshold. Assuming it activates like the popular level 50 JSE rings, that's pretty conclusive.
Ryunohige similarly shows a range of 2.09~2.13 wRatio for crit Jump, when we'd predict 2.12. Thus, the level 75 version of Ryunohige does not have any bonus to its Jump attack and the entire bonus must be added by Tier II~V of the trait. If I was a betting man, I'd say 10% -> 20% -> 30% -> 35%. SE always loves to dick people over on the last bonus.
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2013-09-01 06:31 #52Old Merits
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Cizin Greaves and jumps
Since I haven't seen this verified yet, I went to see which jumps Cizin greaves' "Jump: 'Double Attack'+3%" works on.
I'm glad to say, it works on all of them.
DRG/SAM No DA gear. No buffs.
Spirit/soul jump were with Upukirex. I did the Jump and High jump tests with Ryu(no aftermath) for the autocrit.Code:Ability High Jump + 648: 1 + 662: 1 + 663: 1 + 667: 1 +^ 670: 1 + 681: 1 + 1350: 1 Jump + 1135: 1 + 1138: 1 + 1151: 1 + 1153: 1 +^ 1155: 1 + 1168: 1 + 1185: 1 + 1839: 1 Soul Jump + 1130: 1 + 1146: 1 +^ 1148: 1 + 1167: 1 + 2332: 1 Spirit Jump 1118: 1 1121: 1 1126: 1 1128: 1 + 1133: 4 1135: 1 1140: 1 1142: 1 1143: 1 1148: 2 1150: 1 1153: 1 1155: 1 ^ 1156: 1 1157: 1 1158: 1 1160: 1 1161: 3 1162: 2 1163: 1 1166: 1 1167: 1 1170: 1 1172: 1 1173: 1 1175: 1 1182: 1 2300: 1
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2013-12-03 17:08 #53Old Merits
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Jump TP bonus and Store TP
Store TP appears to apply to Jump TP bonus. Not sure how I never noticed all this time. Finally noticed it while I was testing Vishap body.
Also, retested with Lancer feet+2, to make sure this worked on all kinds of jump TP bonus.
492 delay
Base TP 13.3
0 STP.
Spirit jump(w/ wyvern) 26 TP
Again with lancer+2 31 tp. The known +5 value.
+40 STP
18.6 tp/hit
Spirit, no feet. 37tp
Lancer+2 44 TP.
37+5=42. So I have 2 extra TP from somewhere. So, that 5 tp bonus, x 1.40=7 TP. So I'm getting 2 extra TP out of my TP bonus via STP.
Also, since I haven't seen a report anywhere else. Vishap hands are the same as body. +3 TP bonus. Jump/high jump only.
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