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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayn View Post
    Well, "jumps in" depending on the source material.

    FF7 and Crisis Core make him look like a scrub for being tossed in after impaling Cloud (I'm sure having an 8 foot weapon helped make that easier).

    The before Crisis OVA just makes him look like a dumbass when he actually does jump.


    The only telling of the sequence of events that I kinda agree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrath View Post
    Yeah except Sephiroth is the poster child villain. She revives him and he is still the main baddie. There's not real argument for her being the main villain.
    Terra is the poster girl heroine of FFVI, but the real main character is Celes. Hell, Terra isn't even required to recruit in the WOR to complete the game. Jenova is the real villain of FFVII, just represented through Sephiroth.

    EDIT: I screwed up a quote.

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    the clones thing IS canon. All the "Sephiroths" you see prior to reaching the Northern Crater are the various "clones" who are part of Hojo's reunion experiment. Jenova cells have the ability to manifest themselves into different forms of appearance, which is how Sephiroth appears in all those places despite having "died" at the Nibelheim reactor all those years ago. Jenova happen to prefer to use Sephiroth's form (it could be because he's her first "child" or that she knows using that form can effect her reunion properly). It's also how Kadaj becomes Sephiroth in Advent Children.. although by that point Sephiroth actually plays a much more active role as he is a part of the lifestream.

    as far as i can remember, Last Order is not canon. There are 3 versions of the Nibelheim incident (FF7, Crisis Core and Last Order), and Crisis Core is supposedly the only accurate depiction of the events. LO is not part of the actual CoFF7 and is an interpretation of the events at the reactor. Similarly, FF7s retelling is not accurate considering Cloud's state of mind.

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    What we can all agree on is this:

    President Shinra was killed by a Sephiroth clone that was really a disgruntled employee named Steve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceSylph View Post
    Terra is the poster girl heroine of FFVI, but the real main character is Celes. Hell, Terra isn't even required to recruit in the WOR to complete the game. Jenova is the real villain of FFVII, just represented through Sephiroth.

    EDIT: I screwed up a quote.
    Ffvi has 2 story

    WOB is terra story while WOR is celes ( a quest of redemption)

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    WoR is not Celes's story....

    Celes is just used as a surrogate to explain the sheer despair that exists in the WoR. No one is a main character in the WoR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaslo View Post
    WoR is not Celes's story....

    Celes is just used as a surrogate to explain the sheer despair that exists in the WoR. No one is a main character in the WoR.
    Eh, by extension you could say Terra is just a surrogate to explain the conflict that is present in the WoB between humans and espers.

    Maybe not in the same sense that X is Tidus's story and X-2 is Yuna's, but the WoR does belong to Celes as a character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirin View Post
    Eh, by extension you could say Terra is just a surrogate to explain the conflict that is present in the WoB between humans and espers.

    Maybe not in the same sense that X is Tidus's story and X-2 is Yuna's, but the WoR does belong to Celes as a character.
    Until you leave solitary island. Then she barely talks again outside of "Oh look its Edgar!" "Oh look its Setzer!" She doesn't even take part in reuniting with Locke, the one character she was closest to in WoB.

    NOTE: FF6 is my favorite game of all time, but I disagree with the idea that WoR is Celes's story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceSylph View Post
    Terra is the poster girl heroine of FFVI, but the real main character is Celes. Hell, Terra isn't even required to recruit in the WOR to complete the game. Jenova is the real villain of FFVII, just represented through Sephiroth.

    EDIT: I screwed up a quote.
    Did you miss the part where Sephiroth is the one controlling the Jenova cells to create his own image or what?

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    So... strange... but Kitase said in an interview that voice acting for FF7Remake's main story is almost done....

    https://twitter.com/aibo_ac7/status/834294418513354753

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    Just because the VA is done doesn't mean they are anywhere near finished.

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    I'd bet they get called back in no less than 5 times to add/rerecord shit too.

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    It would be very easy to loosely state that. People read main story and they think, WOW THE WHOLE GAME, what they left out is for that episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shenrien View Post
    It would be very easy to loosely state that. People read main story and they think, WOW THE WHOLE GAME, what they left out is for that episode.
    Something that is most certainly to be a multi year release with a LOT of voice actors involved kinda takes a big risk in approaching episodes like that. What if Tifa's VA dies after recording episode 2 and isnt there for the remaining episodes?

    They may mean the entire game for the main cast (Cloud, Tifa, Barrett, etc) and some important side characters (Rufus, Hojo, etc), while characters like Don Corneo and Bugenhagen may be done on an episode to episode basis.

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    https://www.rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff7...o/ff7disc1.txt
    https://www.rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff7...o/ff7disc2.txt

    https://www.rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff7...nfo/ff7opq.txt
    -optional quests assuming they delve into that.

    There is every line of dialog that each story key character speaks. Assuming they don't stray off of that I imagine they would require a lot more time to get through something like that. The way traditional voice acting works is once the cut-scenes or scenes are in a finished or near final state they then voice act based on the emotions and empathy they're seeing, it's rarely just "hey talk into this mic and at this scene you want to sound [insert emotion] here because something big just happend!"

    But I'm sure you know how VA works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shenrien View Post
    https://www.rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff7...o/ff7disc1.txt
    https://www.rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff7...o/ff7disc2.txt

    https://www.rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff7...nfo/ff7opq.txt
    -optional quests assuming they delve into that.

    There is every line of dialog that each story key character speaks. Assuming they don't stray off of that I imagine they would require a lot more time to get through something like that. The way traditional voice acting works is once the cut-scenes or scenes are in a finished or near final state they then voice act based on the emotions and empathy they're seeing, it's rarely just "hey talk into this mic and at this scene you want to sound [insert emotion] here because something big just happend!"

    But I'm sure you know how VA works.
    I'm not an expert on it, no. But ive been around game development long enough (and have been in a few VA sessions actually) to know and understand the process.

    Its not like they have source material to act off of or anything like that.

    Again, I'm not saying it isn't just for the first episode or installment, just that they run a pretty big risk if someone major dies during the 2-3 years this is likely to take to get all the episodes out, if SE's original comments about timeline are to be believed.

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    If they can replace Aku's voice actor in Samurai Jack, they can replace Tifa. Hell, they even change voices for guys who are actually famous (Persona 5) and it's whatever. It's not going to stop anyone.

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    Rachael Leigh Cook is not going to die, motherfucker.
    Rachael Leigh Cook is forever.

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    I think this is a giant tempest in a teapot. As usual.

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    SE changing voice actors mid game? No fucking way *cough FFXIV cough*