Let's talk Warrior (3.0 Heavensward Discussion) - Future Fell Cleave e-peen thread

**Kaputnik** · 2016-01-14 09:01

Originally Posted by Eludi

Triple cleave on opener is kinda interesting, you want to hit your fell cleaves during trick attack, battle litany, hypercharge, which means that triple fell cleave won't cut it unless you pre-stack abandon, so if you are not doing that just go with double fell cleave (triple opener is worth it if you don't have mch, ninja or drg)

Yea thats why I was asking. I'm used to not having drg/nin/brd (tho we do have a mch), so I was wondering if
a) it's a big gain to switch up my opener in pugs and
b) if there's an established best opener for when I get WP pre-pull

**Taint** · 2016-01-14 09:44

Originally Posted by Kaputnik

Yea thats why I was asking. I'm used to not having drg/nin/brd (tho we do have a mch), so I was wondering if
a) it's a big gain to switch up my opener in pugs and
b) if there's an established best opener for when I get WP pre-pull

Prepped RI/Veng is the best opener. Even in PUGs you have plenty of time to try and set it up. Pop one ASAP, if its a slow pull pop the 2nd when the count down is low, other wise pop the 2nd immediately when pulled.

**Jinroh** · 2016-03-02 19:13

Pretty dead in here. Everyone quit or jump off the WAR ship?

**BaneTheBrawler** · 2016-03-02 21:27

nothing really changed for war in 3.2, so all the shit that was said before still applies

could maybe discuss the merits of vit vs str accessories, but imma go with "swap out anything that has parry"

**Fondue** · 2016-03-02 21:52

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...50/708/590.png

this is war now

**Jinroh** · 2016-03-03 04:48

Originally Posted by Fondue

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...50/708/590.png

this is war now

Accurate.

**Alisha** · 2016-03-03 04:50

Originally Posted by Jinroh

Pretty dead in here. Everyone quit or jump off the WAR ship?

I wish people would jump off the sch ship.

**Detzu** · 2016-03-03 05:09

At least now we can kick the dps who does as much dmg as the war.

**Eludi** · 2016-03-03 05:13

Originally Posted by Fondue

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...50/708/590.png

this is war now

Definitely not even nearly as bad as that, warrior is super fun to play in a7s with the tank quarantine.

**KCem** · 2016-03-03 05:43

My only major gripe is that now inner beast and bloodbath are now devalued somewhat, and I havent been able to solo titan ex since the change ;_;

Still the change has given me incentive play around with drk since there's subjectively less need for tanks to dps.

**CaptCondon** · 2016-03-03 06:02

Yeah, no real update to the job. Avoid parry and stack up vit/str/crit. More HP, less damage. I think we will be back to similar DPS numbers once we get all geared up this patch. The job is still tons of fun to play, I think I actually stance dance more now than before.

Aggro generation in Deliverance was nerfed due to lower damage. I usually pick up adds in Defiance and switch back right after I have them. After the 10 second cool down of course.

**Taint** · 2016-03-03 08:39

Originally Posted by CaptCondon

Yeah, no real update to the job. Avoid parry and stack up vit/str/crit. More HP, less damage. I think we will be back to similar DPS numbers once we get all geared up this patch. The job is still tons of fun to play, I think I actually stance dance more now than before.

Aggro generation in Deliverance was nerfed due to lower damage. I usually pick up adds in Defiance and switch back right after I have them. After the 10 second cool down of course.

Once you are i220 is pretty much the same as 3.1, so you aren't that far away. My AP is around 980 (at work) but with higher secondaries and weapon damage.

**BaneTheBrawler** · 2016-03-03 10:02

Originally Posted by CaptCondon

Yeah, no real update to the job. Avoid parry and stack up vit/str/crit. More HP, less damage. I think we will be back to similar DPS numbers once we get all geared up this patch. The job is still tons of fun to play, I think I actually stance dance more now than before.

Aggro generation in Deliverance was nerfed due to lower damage. I usually pick up adds in Defiance and switch back right after I have them. After the 10 second cool down of course.

i'm actually a drk main but i have noticed that current content does encourage stance dancing more than old stuff... and it fucking kills me that Grit/Oaths are STILL on the GCD.

**Eludi** · 2016-03-03 10:58

Originally Posted by Taint

Once you are i220 is pretty much the same as 3.1, so you aren't that far away. My AP is around 980 (at work) but with higher secondaries and weapon damage.

Pretty much, my fell cleaves are almost at the pre 3.2 level (10,100 now compared to 10,600 before, and yes these are the max values from the min-max roll shit).

**The Stig** · 2016-03-03 11:06

Originally Posted by BaneTheBrawler

i'm actually a drk main but i have noticed that current content does encourage stance dancing more than old stuff... and it fucking kills me that Grit/Oaths are STILL on the GCD.

The justification I believe as discussed in the complaint thread was that an instant -15 (or 20?)% damage reduction off cooldown would be overpowered, though I dunno if inversely 5% extra damage overall can be considered the same.

**Taint** · 2016-03-03 11:18

Originally Posted by The Stig

The justification I believe as discussed in the complaint thread was that an instant -15 (or 20?)% damage reduction off cooldown would be overpowered, though I dunno if inversely 5% extra damage overall can be considered the same.

Its always been instant. Just being on GCD is a DPS loss since instead of using an attack action PLD and DRK use Grit/ShO.

**BaneTheBrawler** · 2016-03-03 11:24

also makes it clunky as shit and awkward to dance. counterpoint to the excuses you mention: warrior exists.

**Taint** · 2016-03-03 11:40

Originally Posted by BaneTheBrawler

also makes it clunky as shit and awkward to dance. counterpoint to the excuses you mention: warrior exists.

Nothing is more clunky than turning Grit off. You have to wait for you GCD to be ready, cancel it then hit your next GCD. While not a huge DPS loss (.5-1 second) its extremely clunky.

**AlastorTGN** · 2016-03-03 12:56

I actually feel like DRK got the least love this time around, parties in kill vids everywhere that would have been WAR/DRK are back to WAR/PLD, ofc this may just that people are going back to PLD after the changes, nothing to do with DRK itself.

But WAR got relatively untouched, PLD got made usable again (even if the changes could be better), what did DRK get?

**BaneTheBrawler** · 2016-03-03 13:43

TP cost reduction and Grit not interrupting combos. BECAUSE STANCE DANCING IS TOTALLY WORTH DOING

nothing more infuriating than trying to cancel grit and then accidentally putting it right back up again

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