The Religion Thread (I hate you guys)

[Fondue]

Rampant xenophobia lol when will it be ok to hate and bash people who are literally moving the human race backwards

The time for religious fanatic tolerance is long over

[Aksannyi]

Rampant xenophobia lol when will it be ok to hate and bash people who are literally moving the human race backwards

The time for religious fanatic tolerance is long over

The problem becomes when an entire subset of people, in this case approximately 1.7 billion Muslims, are all treated as if they're to blame for this. Few people are opposed to snuffing out the people responsible, the supporters of terrorism, etc., but acting like all of the Muslims, even the ones here in the States, are in any way responsible or more likely to be dangerous is a terrible mindset that leaves us much more divided as people than anything else.

I am not saying that you are saying this necessarily, but plenty of people are, and I'm rather tired of people wanting to eradicate some "Muslim threat." Muslims as a whole are not a threat to peace.

[Enkidu]

The problem becomes when an entire subset of people, in this case approximately 1.7 billion Muslims, are all treated as if they're to blame for this. Few people are opposed to snuffing out the people responsible, the supporters of terrorism, etc., but acting like all of the Muslims, even the ones here in the States, are in any way responsible or more likely to be dangerous is a terrible mindset that leaves us much more divided as people than anything else.

I am not saying that you are saying this necessarily, but plenty of people are, and I'm rather tired of people wanting to eradicate some "Muslim threat." Muslims as a whole are not a threat to peace.

Peaceful Islam is a misnomer. The followers aren't to blame, but the religion is to blame. It's a terrible religion in need of a Renaissance that we simply don't have time to allow to happen organically as it did with Christianity.

[Aksannyi]

Peaceful Islam is a misnomer. The followers aren't to blame, but the religion is to blame. It's a terrible religion in need of a Renaissance that we simply don't have time to allow to happen organically as it did with Christianity.

Really? Because 1.7 billion Muslims who don't enact violence on a regular basis seems to beg to differ. I really don't want to argue this, but making such a gross generalization is quite unfair.

[Fondue]

Peaceful Islam is a misnomer. The followers aren't to blame, but the religion is to blame. It's a terrible religion in need of a Renaissance that we simply don't have time to allow to happen organically as it did with Christianity.

Yeah its real easy for "peaceful muslims" to say THEY ARENT FOLLOWING THE ALLAH I KNOW, maybe not but they are following their interpretation of the muslim faith for political/monetary gain and its really ignorant to overlook that

and to amend I dont just dislike all muslims, I dislike all religious people and the fanatical ones even more

[Tyrath]

Really? Because 1.7 billion Muslims who don't enact violence on a regular basis seems to beg to differ. I really don't want to argue this, but making such a gross generalization is quite unfair.

Just because most of them have decided to shun the worst parts doesn't change the fact that the ideology can still be poisonous. Jesus was a hippie. Mohammed was a warlord whose teachings say that you should force Islam onto the world. Obama can call it extremism as much as he wants, sadly ISIS and co.'s interpretation of the teachings aren't necessarily made up.

[archibaldcrane]

I dislike all religious people

No you don't

[Fondue]

No you don't

anyone subscribing to modern organized religion*

is that better

[Tyrath]

So do you hate the religion or the people?

[Hirronimus]

Really? Because 1.7 billion Muslims who don't enact violence on a regular basis seems to beg to differ. I really don't want to argue this, but making such a gross generalization is quite unfair.

You realize that proportionally what you call a few people out of 1.7 billion is literally "few" hundred thousand (if not more), right? That's not two guys sitting in a cave planning how to egg Uncle Sam's house. That's an army ready and willing to do anything and everything to burn Uncle Sam's house to the ground.

What I am appalled with, is the lack of action from the "good" Muslims you are so eager to defend. Denouncing horrific actions on social media is like blowing smoke up a donkey's ass. Pointless and dumb. Deradicalization, if that's even a word, must occur in their own Mosques and schools, of which I have NEVER heard of, on the news or from people I know.

[GoggleHead]

There's definitely an identifiable pattern of behavior. I don't know why we can't just point at the thing informing said behavior and say "that's the root of the issue and we should probably do something to address it."

[Aksannyi]

100,000 of 1 billion is still 0.1%, which is still an extremely small proportion of Muslims. So if you have a "few" hundred thousand, then you've got what, 0.3% of Muslims on the planet who are willing to be terrorists?

Oh, okay. Because I could see if it were getting into the 30, 40, 50 millions then it might be some sort of cause for concern about all Muslims, but it's actually not.

[Enkidu]

Just because most of them have decided to shun the worst parts doesn't change the fact that the ideology can still be poisonous. Jesus was a hippie. Mohammed was a warlord whose teachings say that you should force Islam onto the world. Obama can call it extremism as much as he wants, sadly ISIS and co.'s interpretation of the teachings aren't necessarily made up.

Pretty much. Christianity obviously has a history of 'convert or die' type hegemony, however it's basis in the religious text is questionable at best. Islam's problem is that it's not really questionable, rather it's almost stipulated.

The theocratic ideals in Islam are far more scary to me then the 'extremist' that pop up every few years and kill a bunch of people. The things happening in Europe right now with "peaceful" Muslims is terrifying. Large portions of the quran/hadith need to be removed and/or reexplained in an historical context, they literally need a "New Testament".

[archibaldcrane]

anyone subscribing to modern organized religion*

is that better

Doesn't make it less of a lie.

[Hirronimus]

100,000 of 1 billion is still 0.1%, which is still an extremely small proportion of Muslims. So if you have a "few" hundred thousand, then you've got what, 0.3% of Muslims on the planet who are willing to be terrorists?

Oh, okay. Because I could see if it were getting into the 30, 40, 50 millions then it might be some sort of cause for concern about all Muslims, but it's actually not.

I don't see 99.9% of "good" muslims rallying and marching against extremism. All religions are an archaic notions that should NOT be dictating anything in 21st Century.

[Thunder]

100,000 of 1 billion is still 0.1%, which is still an extremely small proportion of Muslims. So if you have a "few" hundred thousand, then you've got what, 0.3% of Muslims on the planet who are willing to be terrorists?

Oh, okay. Because I could see if it were getting into the 30, 40, 50 millions then it might be some sort of cause for concern about all Muslims, but it's actually not.

Pew/gallup polls have got muslims coming in at as high as 40% for things like apostasy (killing for leaving religion), stoning gays, shiraya law world-wide, etc in the countries of moderate islam like Malaysia and Turkey. Can't even get polls like that to conduct research in places like saudi arabia where it will likely be 90%+

The very best examples of countries with moderate islam have large swaths of people who do not condemn the actions of these "few extremists" and most of that large swath will even support them.

So, it's actually well past the tens of millions of people that are keeping this sort of thing alive in 2015. Even if we're speaking extremely conservatively. Not conservatively, it's in the hundreds of millions.

What sucks about the situation is only muslims can fix the situation because of how islam sees outsiders. Any war plan that doesn't include glassing everyone just strengthens the cause. And that's obviously out of the question. So the only real hope is that muslims have a cultural revolution of sorts, but the chance of that is pretty slim as well considering what large sections of islam believers believe.

[Koul]

something something Brigitte Gabriels "the peaceful majority were irrelevant"

[Fondue]

Doesn't make it less of a lie.

are you saying I only dont like muslims? lol

[notorious bum]

"I really wish all muslims would denounce these terrr actions!"

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Guys, don't mention Christian terrorists, they are not the samelol

[Fondue]

I think people here are saying that denouncing something as bad is not enough, so try to find another gif where they're doing something about it