Reisenjima Augments Thread!

[Reposado]

Still no more firm confirmation of +songs?

[Byrthnoth]

Shit does not exist or we would have heard about it already.

[Reposado]

My thoughts exactly... Especially with this campaign. Back to herc vest augments i guess..

[Byrthnoth]

Yeah, you have to figure that the last few days have cranked out more dark matter augments than the previous few months, and no Song+ has been reported. I have personally seen QA and Refresh twice each now.

[Reposado]

There goes my idea of a 20% haste honor march

[Jem]

Some great trolling going on with these augments. Just got INT +9, M. Acc +20, MAB +20, Magic Burst Damage +15% but on a Valorous piece.

[Ihina]

I got macc+42 on merl feet. If it's +50% cap, does that mean dark matter cap is 60macc/60mab?

[Karbuncle]

Some great trolling going on with these augments. Just got INT +9, M. Acc +20, MAB +20, Magic Burst Damage +15% but on a Valorous piece.

Bro

Divine Emblem + MB Holy II!

also I got something decent today on my Herculean Gloves

MND+6 Acc+17 Attack+17
Skillchain Damage +2
Quadruple Attack +1

[Nightfyre]

Block chance goes up to at least +9 with dark matter, got that on a pair of Merlinic Dastanas.

[Byrthnoth]

Bro

Divine Emblem + MB Holy II!

also I got something decent today on my Herculean Gloves

MND+6 Acc+17 Attack+17
Skillchain Damage +2
Quadruple Attack +1

QA+1 = DA+3 < TA+2
QA+2 = DA+6 = TA+3
TA+4 rules them all


No one has posted more than 2% QA, so unless you get a combination of 2% QA and more than 30 Acc/Atk or QA combined with another form of multi-attack (and Acc), there's kinda no point in even considering these pieces for TP. Also, those exchange rates are generous and they'd actually be slightly weighted towards whatever form of multi-attack you have the most of to start with.

The odds are higher of getting a piece that's useful for WS, because you can get up to 8% WSD or something with dark matter, but you would still need to get pretty lucky.

[Martel]

Block chance goes up to at least +9 with dark matter, got that on a pair of Merlinic Dastanas.

Could we get a screen shot of that?

If it's possible to get that much block+ on Odyssean, they just broke the damn game, shield wise... <,<;
Although, the difficulty of acquiring a 5/5 set of that is mind boggling.....

[Lygre]

Don't have 10 posts so can't link it, but have a pic of 100% real QA +3% from Dark Matter augments. I guess PM if interested.

[Maurauc]

Don't have 10 posts so can't link it, but have a pic of 100% real QA +3% from Dark Matter augments. I guess PM if interested.

PM me and I can post it.

[Lygre]

edit: Thanks Maurauc for being so helpful.

http://i.imgur.com/5SPACpV.png

I have a version without edited names as well if there are any non-believers.

[stamos]

Didn't know that was up for speculation. Here is QA +3 on Herc Boots

[Nightfyre]

Could we get a screen shot of that?

If it's possible to get that much block+ on Odyssean, they just broke the damn game, shield wise... <,<;
Although, the difficulty of acquiring a 5/5 set of that is mind boggling.....

[Firedemon]

42acc 46att macc1 mab1 Treasure Hunter +1 on Herc hands.

[Karbuncle]

QA+1 = DA+3 < TA+2
QA+2 = DA+6 = TA+3
TA+4 rules them all


No one has posted more than 2% QA, so unless you get a combination of 2% QA and more than 30 Acc/Atk or QA combined with another form of multi-attack (and Acc), there's kinda no point in even considering these pieces for TP. Also, those exchange rates are generous and they'd actually be slightly weighted towards whatever form of multi-attack you have the most of to start with.

The odds are higher of getting a piece that's useful for WS, because you can get up to 8% WSD or something with dark matter, but you would still need to get pretty lucky.

its workable for me until something better scoots along, and considering the shit it could poop out, as I said, decent.

Either way its good to know where the numbers diverge.

[Fwahm]

4% Triple is also very close to 2% Quadruple if you're using AM3.

[Martel]

So to follow that one we have,

LS member of mine got this. All my envy.

Did SE really think about this one? That Augment is equivalent to about +47 shield skill...


So as to not clog up the augments thread I'll put the massive wall of PLD/Shield thoughts in spoilers

Spoiler: show

This has some fairly major implications for PLD and the current Shield Hierarchy.
Mind you, it's limited by actually having to get a full set of that augment via wtf random darkmatter augs.

Depending on the answers to a few questions that is.

1: how does Block+ interact with Reprisal?
Possibilities,
formula 1: (Base+BlockPlus)*Reprisal mod(1.5)
formula 2: (Base*Reprisal)+BlockPlus

Obviously, we'd prefer #1, as it yields greater gains.

2: Can Shields aside from Ochain actually hit 100% block rate?
Personally, I've been dismissing the existence of a block rate cap due to both Ochain, and the rates I've observed that were far higher than the old supposed 65% cap.

However, I have not actually seen capped block rate on anything but Ochain. In the few Priwen reprisal tests I've done, Priwen did Not cap block rate, even when the reprisal formula and Priwen bonus given by SE indicated it should be.

So, needs verification.

3: Is there a Block damage reduction cap?
The Block damage reduction on many newer shields has only been calculated, and never to my knowledge, actually tested.

And Srivatsa kind off begs the question of if there's a cap.
*BTW, there was an error in my Srivatsa evaluation post I made on AH awhile back. I had the block damage- a 92. Based on the factors is should actually be 98.

Spoiler: show

The break down is
Size 5 shield. 55
99 PLD Shield Def bonus. 6
75 def/2 floored = 37
55+6+37=98
Flooring the decimal is, frankly, an assumption of mine. But a reasonable one, and it really doesn't make of break any comparison.

btw, this difference doeskin' notably change the conclusion of my previous Srivatsa evaluation/Block rate was still too damn low.
These augments though...

If there's not a cap, then wearing either of the +3 shield def bonus pieces with Srivatsa would push you to 100% block dmg-.

So, a bit of speculation.

IF we assume optimal answers to these questions... those being
1:Formula one
2: Yes
3: no cap
Then there are some interesting possibilities.

So.
+10 block rate 0n 5 pieces. Toss in Thureous earring for +52 block.
Let's say lvl 126 mobs.

Ridiculous.

Priwen(and Ochain for that matter) loses it's advantage since Srivatsa would also be capping.

Further, since Srivatsa should be well over capped with Reprisal up, you can drop piece of block+ and wear +3 shield def bonus for -100% block damage.

At this point we'd be looking at literally, Directional physical invincibility. To anything that's blockable that is. If this actually works, it'd make PDT(and Burtgang's PDT II) pointless. <,<;

Even moving up to 133 mobs, it's more of the same.
*note. Based rates are calculated based on my 133 sample for Aegis.
So not hard data, but a good start

Still enough leeway with reprisal up to drop 1 piece of block+ for SDB...

SE, did you think this through?

Still this thought does depend on a lot of factors.
Have to get optimal answers to the 3 questions, and then some crazy, or just crazy rich, bastard has to actually make a set of this stuff on random as hell DM augs...

That aside, here's a look at the general shield Hierarchy when you have +52 in block+ gear.

There are probably other shields that are in the running now that just didn't have the block rate for it before, but I don't really care to go through them atm.

I'd say that for most of us, this doesn't change much. At most you might get 1 piece with decent block+. and if you do, it's probably best in slot, defensively, depending on what shield you're using.

But getting good enough augments to really change things would be a nightmare. Interesting possibility though.