Thread: 3.15 to be released before Christmas    

Originally Posted by Niiro

Yea...."Thordan has no DPS check" rings a bit hollow when he has a hard enrage......

Not really?

Yoshida: I think it'll prove to be really entertaining. Like the original Knights of the Round, this is kind of a culmination of all of the mechanics from the 2.0 series raids and extreme primals where players can enjoy learning and dealing with the mechanics in a lower pressure situation with DPS checks that aren't as strict

The Thordan EX enrage is completely irrelevant, it's not like they changed their minds or lied about the DPS checks. I mean, out of all the things to cry about...

You have to play ridiculously subpar to even hit the tether in Thordan, and if you're really doing that poorly on the DPS front you can easily play around it and LB the Sacred Cross knight and burn him to keep it going and you get a decent chunk of time afterwards before the enrage. At this point it's just a dumb argument of semantics, but even shitters I run with in PF/DF won't ever really see the enrage without a ton of mistakes happening. It's a bit of a stretch to call it a DPS check, you're only going to fail it if everyone fucks up the actual mechanics of the fight.

This logic what the fuck.

"People are actually doing our shit 90 minute stand in one spot and mash 1 2 3 zergfest. People are being rewarded by our poorly designed content! People are working together for the first time since the game launched! We had better nerf it quickly!"

Really wouldn't give a fuck less about much more uncommon 210s if the event was actually meaningful. Make the objectives more valuable and reward people more richly for completing them, have them refresh when you complete them, etc.. Even Dynamis had more depth and that's sad as fuck.

Originally Posted by Prothescar

Really wouldn't give a fuck less about much more uncommon 210s if the event was actually meaningful. Make the objectives more valuable and reward people more richly for completing them, have them refresh when you complete them, etc.. Even Dynamis had more depth and that's sad as fuck.

This is my biggest gripe with it. I lost interest pretty fast,struggling to get people to do the objectives, and when they do, it's over pretty fast. There should be rewards more directly linked to objectives, with constantly new objectives coming in as you do stuff, the farming being a "good" bi-effect of completing these objectives. Make it more goal-objective oriented, rather than purely trashkilling. Spawn items, maybe pop-items upon completion of goal tiers (say 5 goals gives pop item for a special NM, maybe something znm'ish?), add significant incentive to do goals and keep them coming. Put them on a rotation, if you have a couple of gatherers, have a reason to send them out to gather, but also a reason to come back on combat after they're done (such as upon completion of a gathering goal, replace the gathering objective with something to with the gathered stuff => something combat related).

It's all going to be a massive grind anyway, but let us at least _pretend_ to have some diversity.

Originally Posted by Hellfury

This is my biggest gripe with it. I lost interest pretty fast,struggling to get people to do the objectives, and when they do, it's over pretty fast. There should be rewards more directly linked to objectives, with constantly new objectives coming in as you do stuff, the farming being a "good" bi-effect of completing these objectives. Make it more goal-objective oriented, rather than purely trashkilling. Spawn items, maybe pop-items upon completion of goal tiers (say 5 goals gives pop item for a special NM, maybe something znm'ish?), add significant incentive to do goals and keep them coming. Put them on a rotation, if you have a couple of gatherers, have a reason to send them out to gather, but also a reason to come back on combat after they're done (such as upon completion of a gathering goal, replace the gathering objective with something to with the gathered stuff => something combat related).

It's all going to be a massive grind anyway, but let us at least _pretend_ to have some diversity.

That's exactly what Diadem should have been. A series of objectives with a final goal. Make it take an average of 60 minutes with a 90minute cap. 6 ultimate objectives each give a gold chest.

If they wanted to make it a true lasting event the objectives would be riddles and we could piece together the answers an a community.

Originally Posted by Hellfury

This is my biggest gripe with it. I lost interest pretty fast,struggling to get people to do the objectives, and when they do, it's over pretty fast. There should be rewards more directly linked to objectives, with constantly new objectives coming in as you do stuff, the farming being a "good" bi-effect of completing these objectives. Make it more goal-objective oriented, rather than purely trashkilling. Spawn items, maybe pop-items upon completion of goal tiers (say 5 goals gives pop item for a special NM, maybe something znm'ish?), add significant incentive to do goals and keep them coming. Put them on a rotation, if you have a couple of gatherers, have a reason to send them out to gather, but also a reason to come back on combat after they're done (such as upon completion of a gathering goal, replace the gathering objective with something to with the gathered stuff => something combat related).

It's all going to be a massive grind anyway, but let us at least _pretend_ to have some diversity.

To expand on this,
Regular mobs should still be able to result in loot, just much less than objectives.
Could make it so that if there are gatherers present, the rest of the group have to protect them from surrounding mobs while they dig for their objectives (in essence, the rest would be "forced" to farm regular mobs in a specific area, there are already gathering spots that have a very high chance of the gatherer getting oneshot).
Make it possible to skip x amount of objectives based on pt vote (group where no one can gather? be able to skip a gathering goal). Being able to complete all types of objectives should have a chance for extra chests to spawn*, so there is an incentive, but it shouldn't be so significant that princesses will drop a group if some tasks can't be accomplished for whatever reason.
Put in achievement style sub-objectives that give "funny" bonuses, chain #x gives an extra token, big "NM"s changes the weather to let everyone know what's going on.
Increase the penalty for dropping out of Diadem, the 2h until next "opening" isn't enough considering you can't be replaced.

*let's for example say that there are 5 groups of objectives, each time all 5 groups has been completed, something something will happen, extra chest, extra mob with chance for something, maybe just extra currency for all pt members, this being independent of the "internal category rotation".

And so on, but I'm probably moving way into the Skynamis thread now, I'm just brooding over yet another interesting idea turned bad, SE Style. You'd think 5+ years of XI and these years of XIV since 1.0 beta had made me impervious to this by now.

Voting on objectives would be too much effort; just give each objective a timer that extends when you make progress. No one's mined anything in, say, 5 minutes? kay, drop the mining objective and give you another kill objective. Also, why not give chests for objectives? might as well play the loot pinata role well.