Aeonic Weapons Mega Thread

[Lyramion]

Song +1 from? Is it March +1, or a Song+ augment on Chironic gear

Don't think they mentioned. My guess is as good as yours.

[TummieGaruda]

you can literally buy a relic 119 in no time and mythics have no challenge either, so unless the +262 RM are either inferior to aeonic (highly doubt) or present a challenge similar to aeonic, i don't see why anyone would bother with that 2 months going forward...maybe once for the sake of doing new content

+269 RM shouldn't. Mythics will continue to have the highest base damage followed by Aeonic then Relic. The aftermath on Aeonic seems subpar especially considering the amount of steps required to activate radiance/Umbra at 100% in addition to being tied to merited WS.

[Byrthnoth]

Can you make Radiance/Umbra with a non-merit WS, like Rudra's Storm? I could see using this for massive skillchain damage.

Also, do they work offhand?

[Karizo]

Can you make Radiance/Umbra with a non-merit WS, like Rudra's Storm? I could see using this for massive skillchain damage.

Also, do they work offhand?

Looking at the JP Post, it looks like non-merit WS can indeed be used for Ultimate Skillchain, provided you use enough steps for the respective Aftermath.

Aftermath 1 is 4 step, 2 is 3 step, 3 is 2 step, and the final 2 WS property must be lv3 light/dark to lv3 light/dark.

The example they gave for an Aftermath 3 Radiance/Umbra was Exenterator to Exenterator for Light and Rudra's to Rudra's for Dark.

Which brings up the fact that the Aftermath seems to have an effect on the WS property of Merited WS, since Exenterator is Frag/Sciss.

Offhand does not work because you cannot activate Aftermath with it in Offhand.

Another mention is, TP Bonus is actually mainhand only, according to the post, which is a surprise to me as well.

[Sechs]

They're probably using March+1 from AF3 hands.
Being it a "march" it boosts all of the song, even if it does more than "just" haste.
Looks hot, especially if used with Marcato.

That is sufficient to make BRD competitive with GEO as a buffer.

For things where you use DDs, sure. Granted there's not much stuff left like that atm...
And it "only" takes you to have Aeonic Instrument, Gjallarhorn and Daurdabla99.
Not an effort at all, inorite.



About Aeonic I'm still very unimpressed.
When the damage cap is STILL 99k, there's only so much a boost to SC and MB can do.

[stamos]

In regards to song+, I haven't seen it on Herculean and spammed quite a bit of DM. Don't think any augment is gear specific with DM

[Funkworkz]

March +1 was confirmed to work with honor march, so anything else that comes out with March+ or All Song+ on it should theoretically work...

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/pol...ews24415.shtml

-An issue with the song “Honor March” wherein the below equipment does not display the “March+1” effect.

Ad. Manchette+2 / Fili Manchettes / Fili Manchettes+1

[Byrthnoth]

In regards to song+, I haven't seen it on Herculean and spammed quite a bit of DM. Don't think any augment is gear specific with DM

I think there might be at least one augment per set that's specific. I haven't seen reports of TH augments on any piece other than Herculean, I think?

That said, I've used a dozen dark matter or so and haven't seen a song+ augment on Chironic. I know there are bards out there more hardcore than me, so I would have assumed this would have been confirmed by now if it was real.

[TummieGaruda]

Looking at the JP Post, it looks like non-merit WS can indeed be used for Ultimate Skillchain, provided you use enough steps for the respective Aftermath.

Aftermath 1 is 4 step, 2 is 3 step, 3 is 2 step, and the final 2 WS property must be lv3 light/dark to lv3 light/dark.

The example they gave for an Aftermath 3 Radiance/Umbra was Exenterator to Exenterator for Light and Rudra's to Rudra's for Dark.

Which brings up the fact that the Aftermath seems to have an effect on the WS property of Merited WS, since Exenterator is Frag/Sciss.

Offhand does not work because you cannot activate Aftermath with it in Offhand.

Another mention is, TP Bonus is actually mainhand only, according to the post, which is a surprise to me as well.

Basically you use the merited WS to get the aftermath effect which can activate the ultimate skillchain (depending on level and steps used). I also remember SE saying in one of their dev posts that once you activate the utlimate skillchain the aftermath effect wears off. So the duration is 3 minutes or activation of Ultimate skillchain, whichever happens first.

[Byrthnoth]

So you could use Exenterator (1000 TP) -> CF Rudra's Storm -(Distortion)> Evisceration -(Darkness)-> Rudra's Storm (Darkness: Umbra)

You'd expect to get 3% Skillchain Bonus on all the skillchains, and the Umbra skillchain would do twice the normal damage (3.5x final Rudra's damage plus SC Bonus and variable modifiers)? I get that this dagger is competitive with Terpsichore (119) as a main hand, but probably won't be competitive with Terpsichore (121). Still, it's not as far behind as I initially thought even if you don't use Umbra. You're just spamming Rudra's instead of Pyrrhic Kleos. If the battle is tilted towards Rudra's for whatever reason (low Acc, Climactic Flourish, etc.), it might be the best choice of mainhand.

For THF the calculations are going to be a bit different, but Vajra (119) is stiff competition. 500 TP Bonus is approximately a 40% increase in Rudra's damage, and Vajra (119) already gives a 40% increase in SA / TA damage along with opening up Mandalic as another WS option, giving useful aftermaths, etc. Vajra's relatively low base damage hurts it, but not that much on WS.


TP Bonus being mainhand only is disappointing, but not entirely unexpected.

[Karizo]

Basically you use the merited WS to get the aftermath effect which can activate the ultimate skillchain (depending on level and steps used). I also remember SE saying in one of their dev posts that once you activate the utlimate skillchain the aftermath effect wears off. So the duration is 3 minutes or activation of Ultimate skillchain, whichever happens first.

There may be some mention of the Aftermath's interaction with ultimate skillchains, but unfortunately my Japanese isn't quite good enough to understand everything in the post.

But removing Aftermath after Radiance/Umrba is going to greatly diminish the value of these weapons o.o sounds kind of lame tbh

[Mojo]

Is the 200% boost on magic burst damage the magic burst multipler, or is it multiplied with it (i.e. for a two step, is it 1.6 * 2.0, or just flat out 2.0)?

[The Assman]

So Shijin Spiral -> Bone Crusher -> Victory Smite would create Radiance?

[Karizo]

So Shijin Spiral -> Bone Crusher -> Victory Smite would create Radiance?

if you use at 2000tp

[pieceofsoap]

Mythics will continue to have the highest base damage followed by Aeonic then Relic.

True in some cases, but not all.
SE has stuck rather tightly to DPS values across weapon classes since at least the Delve days, and with the sword reveal from Freshly Picked Vana'diel 22 Digest we can get DPS values for the coming REM update, and extrapolate those into the new base damages of the new weapons to a high degree of accuracy. In general, the Mythics with high enough base damage to sit at the top of their REM pile will stay put, case in point Burtgang, but not so much for weapon classes where the delays are closer. This is actually good news for Emperean weapons, since their DPS values were lower than relics at 119, since REA seem to be all getting the flat ~42.0 DPS values, whereas Mythics are going up to ~40.0 DPS.

Have some quick napkin math for Scythes, chosen for their high delay:

Spoiler: show

DPS = 60*Damage/T
Damage = DPS*T/60

Level	Damage	Delay	DPS
Excalibur
121	163	233	41.97
119	121	233	31.16

Burtgang
121	175	264	39.77
119	131	264	29.77

Almace
121	157	224	42.05
119	114	224	30.54

Sequence
121	168	240	42.00
119	N/A

Apocalypse
121	359	513	41.99
119	266	513	31.11

Liberator
121	352	528	40.00
119	263	528	29.89

Redemption
121	351	502	41.95
119	255	502	30.48

Anguta
121	370	528	42.05

[TummieGaruda]

There may be some mention of the Aftermath's interaction with ultimate skillchains, but unfortunately my Japanese isn't quite good enough to understand everything in the post.

But removing Aftermath after Radiance/Umrba is going to greatly diminish the value of these weapons o.o sounds kind of lame tbh

Found it. It was in the release notes from the December update

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...Version-Update

*If an ultimate skill chain is successfully executed, the Aftermath effect will be lost.

[Protey]

I think there might be at least one augment per set that's specific. I haven't seen reports of TH augments on any piece other than Herculean, I think?

That said, I've used a dozen dark matter or so and haven't seen a song+ augment on Chironic. I know there are bards out there more hardcore than me, so I would have assumed this would have been confirmed by now if it was real.

Scroll down to Erics' post: http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/47...njima-armor/5/

[Loire]

I think there might be at least one augment per set that's specific. I haven't seen reports of TH augments on any piece other than Herculean, I think?

That said, I've used a dozen dark matter or so and haven't seen a song+ augment on Chironic. I know there are bards out there more hardcore than me, so I would have assumed this would have been confirmed by now if it was real.

Last I counted with the dark matter donations for my brd character I was at 54 dark matter spent with not seeing a single +song

[Byrthnoth]

I wish that convinced me, but in my dozen attempts I've gotten 0 augments that are unique to Dark Matter. Given that it sounds like there are multiple Dark Matter specific augments that occur at a low rate . . . . . . 54 is kinda too low to conclude anything from yet

Apart from opening up caps, allowing 5 augments, and allowing any augment possible normally on any set/path, Dark Matter specific augments that have been reported are:
* Treasure Hunter (confirmed on Herculean and Merlinic)
* Quadruple Attack (confirmed on Merlinic multiple times)
* Phalanx (confirmed on Merlinic multiple times)
* Song? (the two early JP claims - Valorous and Chironic - are now dead links)
* Blood boon? (Unsure whether Merlinic can already get this on the pet path)
* Refresh (confirmed on Merlinic multiple times - Technically this is possible normally on some weapons)

I'd like to discount the Song+ augments, buuuuuut.... I don't know. Something nags at me. The first report of it was Song+1 on Valorous feet. The follow-up Song+2 on Chironic feet? Sure, perhaps that's fake. Why start it off with Valorous feet, though? It is quite weird that there has been no NA corroboration since then, considering the frequency with which we've seen every other augment though.

[Kyte]

Refresh is confirmed on Herculean as well.