February 2016 Version Update - Discussion & Findings

[Ramzii]

Augmenting Oboro Weapons: Trade weapon + either beitetsu/riftborn/pluton. Can't change path on it after, hurray.

Riftborn Dunna = FC/MP/M. Acc

[pieceofsoap]

SE definitely revised the damage model they had shown us back in November, have some old and new values:

		Damage	Delay	DPS
Excalibur
November	163	233	41.97
Now		164	233	42.23

Burtgang
November	175	264	39.77
Now		165	264	37.50

Almace
November	157	224	42.05
Now		158	224	42.32

Sequence
November	168	240	42.00
Now		N/A

They made the conscious decision to reduce mythic and slightly buff relics and empys from where they had them, I guess they thought mythics were too strong, comparatively.

[Johnb]

I used Beitetsu for Dunna and only got Type A as well. Is there only one type or only one path? MP+14 Magic Acc+7 Fast Cast+1 at Rank 9.

[ZetaEpyon]

Priwen gives HP, Magic Eva, and -DT

[Karizo]

Augmenting Oboro Weapons: Trade weapon + either beitetsu/riftborn/pluton. Can't change path on it after, hurray.

Riftborn Dunna = FC/MP/M. Acc

looks like only one path. i traded beitetsu and got the same augments.says Type: A 1) MP 2) M.acc 3) FC

[Ramzii]

Great. I think it's 300 to cap, I used 221 and R13

[Mojo]

may want to rethink that considering the math on Death. correct me if I'm wrong.

(MP×3 + Magic Damage)×(MAB/MDB)×(Affinity)×(Day/Weather)

Comparing it to Lathi, it's quite a net gain.

But then again, for Death only hahaha.

You're forgetting Lathi has 68 MAB as well. It will still win easily.

[Ihina]

63.2k rudra on a lv0 bee. Not stating for calculation purposes, just for lulz

[Byrthnoth]

Approximately:
Melee pDIF caps at 3.25 for non-crits now
Crits add 1 pDIF

There is still a secondary randomizer

Spoiler: show

Centovente D54 19% crit damage
Crit: 274, 274, 276, 277, 279, 279, 280, 285, 283, 285
4.26~4.4444

Non-crit: 175, 175, 175, 177, 178, 179, 179, 179, 181, 181, 183, 183
3.24~3.388

~2.9 pDIF was the old crit max average, so our max crit damage is up ~45%
~2.2 pDIF was the old noncrit max average, so our noncrit damage is up ~45%

[dasva]

I've noticed this as well. I am thinking the new cap is somewhere around 4.0. Crits seem to be almost 6?

Well they did mention something about similar to bst pets and iirc they were around 5ish

Anyways quick tests on lvl 0s. On rng automaton shows absolute no easily noticeable increase in dmg going back to old. In fact going back to a bug report I submitted on melee dmg which I also included ranged it's gone up about 10%

Meanwhile auto melee dmg has gone up around 90%. So yeah it's the dawning of the age of valoredge

[Yeager]

Dunna augments

MP, Mag. Accuracy, Fast Cast

Traded in a little under 150 Boulders, have MP +18, Mag. Accuracy +9, FC +2

Path A, Rank 13

Didn't give me an option for any other path.

[Karbuncle]

Were people expecting great things from Dunna? I've seen a lot of reports on that... and only that lol

Edit: Well according to Ramzus on FFXI, capped for Dunna is

20MP/10MAcc/3FC for capped Dunna.

[The Assman]

Were people expecting great things from Dunna? I've seen a lot of reports on that... and only that lol

It's the only Oboro weapon that's best in slot, no?

[Karbuncle]

Its why I figured people would be interested in the other ones to see if they got anything that made them relevant again. But i guess most have tossed em by now. I have the SMN one i got during the Nyzul Campaign, i'll check it out.

Also, If you're not getting the option to trade dude your weapon, you need to talk to him with it equipped first. Or at least I did.

Edit: Saw a shout about Aettir > (hisname)Ruamoko: Accuracy/Magic Eva/WSD

Edit2: Apparently quite substantial as well

"Rank 7

Accuracy+34
Magic Evasion+23
Weapon Skill Damage+5%"

This is why im interested in other weapons lol

[Martel]

Approximately:
Melee pDIF caps at 3.25 for non-crits now
Crits add 1 pDIF

There is still a secondary randomizer

Spoiler: show

Centovente D54 19% crit damage
Crit: 274, 274, 276, 277, 279, 279, 280, 285, 283, 285
4.26~4.4444

Non-crit: 175, 175, 175, 177, 178, 179, 179, 179, 181, 181, 183, 183
3.24~3.388

~2.9 pDIF was the old crit max average, so our max crit damage is up ~45%
~2.2 pDIF was the old noncrit max average, so our noncrit damage is up ~45%

So, the update notes said;
"The damage cap for player melee and ranged attacks has been raised.
The damage cap varies by weapon."

Any idea what this means? Tested any other weapon types yet?

[Ramzii]

I was hoping it would at least give some stats that would assist in nuking, or something. Pemphredo Tathlum already does everything better

[Byrthnoth]

So, the update notes said;
"The damage cap for player melee and ranged attacks has been raised.
The damage cap varies by weapon."

Any idea what this means? Tested any other weapon types yet?

Between Clubs(Raphael's Rod) and Daggers (Centovente), it's a static 4.25 (upper and lower pDIF limits converge) at the cap (*1~1.05 randomizer). I bet this is true of everything.


Also, there is no special cap for WSs (as there used to be for BPs).

[Karbuncle]

Unless Oboro loves giving me the cold shoulder, doesn't look like you can Upgrade your Oboro Weapons if you've already accepted a RME upgrade path.

[Johnb]

What's the best way to farm Beitetsu? Which BC? Boxes are only on VD right?

[dasva]

So using a 120 dmg gun with 214 dmg bullet I should have 376 base dmg with capped fstr2. Did 2385 crit 1316 regular both out of true shot range. So looks like 3.5 for regular ranged and and 4.375 for crits

edit: which is still a 25% increase for crits like it's always been lol