February 2016 Version Update - Discussion & Findings

[S N K]

Just Rank 14'd the Arktoi. Delve Bee Axe is fucking done...

So Far at Rank 14
Accuracy +47
Pet: Accuracy +47
Pet: Attack + 28

That doesn't include the Pet: attack +20 and Double Attack+3 already on the Base.

Jesus this is insane..

[Finuve]

10,000 plutons is such a kick in the nuts....

Need to see augments on Polyhymnia. What are these upgrades costing per level?

[Imoq]

How many plutons (and the other two) do you get from a case and from a box, approximately? It has been so long since I got one that I forgot!

[Sechs]

Pet: 70acc/70att 15 DA

Oooooh I like that!
Anybody tried Coeus by any chance? SCH JSE staff

[stepth]

Death Penalty's aftermath changed from double or triple damage to OA2-3. Not sure about Gastra as its description seems messed up. In the event that the OA2-3 isn't a mistranslation, what are the chances it works on melee as well as ranged attacks?

[Jem]

I'd say unlikely purely because a melee OA2-3 never applied to ranged before so you would assume they are handled by different statusid's or wtf they use to track it. It's possibly with SE spaghetti coding but just seems unlikely to me, especially since we've seen in the past with things like Jailer weapons applying purely to that weapon (which I know is a different type of OA but similar principal)


Also I'm guessing not but is there any change to anything else on the upgraded R/M/E's? Like relic damage proc rate, WS DMG bonus, etc.

[Squah]

Inb4 Apoc's haste surpasses the delay cap


Hey, a DRK can dream, can't he? :<

[Jem]

SE just hates scythes for whatever reason!

[Shadowlina]

I bet the issue with Death penalty if is a localisation error, I'm sure if you pulled up the japanese version, it would be different.

But who knows.

[Byrthnoth]

I bet the issue with Death penalty if is a localisation error, I'm sure if you pulled up the japanese version, it would be different.

But who knows.

Confirmed. I'm no master japaneser, but the symbols are the same between the old 119 Death Penalty and the new. They just messed up localization.

[Byrthnoth]

Friend doing VD Tenzen says that he isn't noticing much of a damage difference with GEO buffs (including on Rudra's), so it is possible that we need substantially higher Ratio in order to benefit from the pDIF changes.

If that is the case and we are not auto ratio capped with a GEO, damage-wise the big winners this update would be:
* Ascetic's Fury - At least a 2x attack multiplier and can crit (according to diasetsu)
* Mandalic Stab - 1.75x attack multiplier (according to Studio Gobli) and you typically force it to crit
* Blade: Kamu - 1.3125x attack multiplier (according to Studio Gobli?). If that is low, and I suspect it is, it might be the best katana WS now in a lot of situations.

With Vajra, my Mandalic Stab was already pretty competitive with Evisceration / Rudra's at 1000 TP. If it's now fully benefiting from it's +75% attack, I have a hard time imagining it's not on top.

[vivbiibasjiu]

Tenzen has weird damage taken mechanics so I would hardly consider that a valid test to determine anything

[Squah]

Unless they're comparing it to pre-patch VD Tenzen numbers.

And nobody said it was a valid test. There are no "valid tests" yet, the patch has been out for under 12 hours. All we have to go on right now is eyeballing, which is fine for setting a base to do the real testing at a later date.

[Byrthnoth]

They were comparing it to prepatch Tenzen numbers (also on VD). Still, I agree that we need more careful testing.

[Lyramion]

So which BC would be best to spam down with 6people? AAGK? Just fear that AAs might be congested to hell.

[Shadowlina]

the best VD BCNMs to spam is Tenzen and One to be Feared (Omega and Ultima), Simply because they are in the same entrance,
that being said, on a high population server, i bet they are currently a nightmare to enter.
I suppose on terms of easiness though, AAs are probably the best bet.

[Damane]

Friend doing VD Tenzen says that he isn't noticing much of a damage difference with GEO buffs (including on Rudra's), so it is possible that we need substantially higher Ratio in order to benefit from the pDIF changes.

If that is the case and we are not auto ratio capped with a GEO, damage-wise the big winners this update would be:
* Ascetic's Fury - At least a 2x attack multiplier and can crit (according to diasetsu)
* Mandalic Stab - 1.75x attack multiplier (according to Studio Gobli) and you typically force it to crit
* Blade: Kamu - 1.3125x attack multiplier (according to Studio Gobli?). If that is low, and I suspect it is, it might be the best katana WS now in a lot of situations.

With Vajra, my Mandalic Stab was already pretty competitive with Evisceration / Rudra's at 1000 TP. If it's now fully benefiting from it's +75% attack, I have a hard time imagining it's not on top.

in other words everything with an attack penalty just hit the toilet-flush spot like resolution and requiescat?

[Byrthnoth]

We won't know until we actually do quantitative testing, but attack penalties will probably matter now more than ever. WSs that Ignore Defense like Camlann's also have the potential to be quite good now.

[Squah]

We won't know until we actually do quantitative testing, but attack penalties will probably matter now more than ever. WSs that Ignore Defense like Camlann's also have the potential to be quite good now.

lol quietus

Maybe my multi step liberator skillchain won't suck butts anymore

[FaeQueenCory]

How many plutons (and the other two) do you get from a case and from a box, approximately? It has been so long since I got one that I forgot!

Iirc it's something to the line of ~10ish and ~20ish.... ±5
I think. >_>

But from what I can tell, the values for the ranks are just copypasted like they did with Escha.
And 5980/20=299.
So you need 299 for R15 and 1 extra to start.

So which BC would be best to spam down with 6people? AAGK? Just fear that AAs might be congested to hell.

Avatars should be better, can only do 5(6) AAs with 75 merits (+1KI), but you can do 7(8) Avatar prime fights.