Patch 3.2 Notes (Preliminary)

[Spider-Dan]

por que no los dos?

By "camera control" I mean the ability to look around (say, below you) while auto-flying in the same direction. Useful for hunts and such.

You can have right analog do auto-fly camera control, or you can have it do auto-fly attitude control, but not both at the same time.

[Sho]

the Ast changes.... holy fuck SE has no fucking clue. don't get me wrong the mp changes are great but its not enough. Sch will still have a stranglehold on the 2nd healer spot in harcore progression. wich will yet again trickle down to everyone else. either SE has no god damn fucking clue or they want a bianary system with one main and one sub healer(wich likely means rdm will be a dps healer) and fuck you to anyone that likes to run Whm/Ast. I love ast but I'm not interested in being main healer and I do a horrible 700 dps sustained as sch vs 900 as ast.

[BaneTheBrawler]

By "camera control" I mean the ability to look around (say, below you) while flying in the same direction. Useful for hunts and such.

You're right, but it CAN do the above. QQ moar.

[Eldelphia]

I can't see why on earth anyone would whine about the changes to AST....

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[Scythiroth]

Pretty much there's two types of people here.

A. Unhappy people who want to like the game but keep complaining about its obvious flaws in hopes SE somehow hears (even though no evidence has suggested SE listens or cares about disgruntled bitching on BG)

B. People who like the game despite its obvious flaws and get really sick of the disgruntled bitching because it's always the same shit (and no evidence has suggested SE listens or cares about disgruntled bitching on BG)

C. stopped playing long ago but still come in to point and laugh at the idiots who still play we don't talk about C

There's a pretty good number of posters on both sides. As someone who has now moved on from playing XIV regularly, a lot of the pressure of trying to like it has eased and I feel much less of a need to bitch about it all day erryday. But I guess there are still a lot of people in camp A who aren't going to be happy until they realize the only way to be happy is to stop caring how SE fails and move on.

Group A should probably just quit because the game will most likely never live up to their expectations (like I have done but still lurk around because I do enjoy reading about this game still).

[Silenka]

That's what I did, having fun in XI, A++ exceeds expectations. But I'll still play some of 3.2, the breadth and scope of the changes in this patch give me cautious hope that they'll keep going in an upward direction. I can't say I'm holding my breath, but the seed of hope is always there ready to be watered...or something.

And at least I can always count on Hildy to be gold star material.

[Shenrien]

Hildy only has 2 quests, so yeah.. unless they're really long epic cutscenes I wouldn't really hold out on it being gold star material.

[Alistaire]

wtf @ this

[2.0] The strength of the Echo granted in the Binding Coil of Bahamut has been increased.
The Echo will take effect upon entering the Binding Coil of Bahamut and increase players' maximum HP, damage dealt, and healing magic potency by 30%.

Because unsynched and still having 20% echo from the start wasn't enough? It's whatever of course just gotta be the most unexpected change to see.

[Elcura]

You've already committed to not doing the fight properly so this just helps with that.

It could be 50% and people would still wipe due to mechanics.

[Lujei]

Unless players have an amazing, patient FC, they're never going to be able to learn the battles at this point and no amount of Echo is going to change their clear ability when T9 is all about memorization. Instead. SE should really just go the TERA-route for Coil instead of just piling on Echo buffs. The last MSQs had a high challenge in that game, with a larger party than normal, but because they weren't related to anything else, they became outdated and no one ran them anymore. To fix this, the devs lowered the overall damage and HP pools, tweaked the ability sets, and made the battles take fewer players (the FF equivalent of 4 instead of 8).

So basically, just have an alternate version of the battle that's a bit easier for people to handle.

If SE really wants people to be able to do Coil in the future, they're going to need to do something - and I do think it's fair that new players have a chance to play the storyline, given its relevance.

[Detzu]

the Ast changes.... holy fuck SE has no fucking clue. don't get me wrong the mp changes are great but its not enough. Sch will still have a stranglehold on the 2nd healer spot in harcore progression. wich will yet again trickle down to everyone else. either SE has no god damn fucking clue or they want a bianary system with one main and one sub healer(wich likely means rdm will be a dps healer) and fuck you to anyone that likes to run Whm/Ast. I love ast but I'm not interested in being main healer and I do a horrible 700 dps sustained as sch vs 900 as ast.

Wouldn't AST be preferred over WHM? I mean AST brings so many options while WHM can only heal or dps.

[Silenka]

Wouldn't AST be preferred over WHM? I mean AST brings so many options while WHM can only heal or dps.

Please see the AST thread for further details.

And hey, even 2 Hildy quests is better than none.

[haroldsaxon]

Unless players have an amazing, patient FC, they're never going to be able to learn the battles at this point and no amount of Echo is going to change their clear ability when T9 is all about memorization. Instead. SE should really just go the TERA-route for Coil instead of just piling on Echo buffs. The last MSQs had a high challenge in that game, with a larger party than normal, but because they weren't related to anything else, they became outdated and no one ran them anymore. To fix this, the devs lowered the overall damage and HP pools, tweaked the ability sets, and made the battles take fewer players (the FF equivalent of 4 instead of 8).

So basically, just have an alternate version of the battle that's a bit easier for people to handle.

If SE really wants people to be able to do Coil in the future, they're going to need to do something - and I do think it's fair that new players have a chance to play the storyline, given its relevance.

But why make it faceroll easy? There's already a lack of midcore/top end content. Why not actually give really good incentives for taking new players through it properly (Synced)? Its nice that they have added the Music drops for Synced runs, but people will just roll in premade farm parties.

[Toshi]

But why make it faceroll easy? There's already a lack of midcore/top end content. Why not actually give really good incentives for taking new players through it properly (Synced)? Its nice that they have added the Music drops for Synced runs, but people will just roll in premade farm parties.

It was probably added for 3.0 players to DF it. Even during relic new players weren't actually doing the fights. Most of the time they were told to embrace the wall of hope. Not many PFs will be willing to teach them the fight.

Well that's what I assume.

[Alisha]

I like to heal but not in the main healer role. I used to be a sch main but switched to Ast. I like the changes but i'm disappointed that SE didn't improve Ast's ability to fill in for a Sch. at this point I feel like the changes I want to see will never come. because instead of balancing all the healers/tanks to be interchangeable. it seems like they want a main/sub system. as a result war and sch will have a stranglehold on their positions until the expansion when SE adds sam as an analogue to war and red mage as an analogue to scholar,and noct only exists as a bandaid until then :/

[Almalexia]

the Ast changes.... holy fuck SE has no fucking clue. don't get me wrong the mp changes are great but its not enough. Sch will still have a stranglehold on the 2nd healer spot in harcore progression. wich will yet again trickle down to everyone else. either SE has no god damn fucking clue or they want a bianary system with one main and one sub healer(wich likely means rdm will be a dps healer) and fuck you to anyone that likes to run Whm/Ast. I love ast but I'm not interested in being main healer and I do a horrible 700 dps sustained as sch vs 900 as ast.

I thought AST DPS was inflicted indirectly through sick card buffs. eg. Arrow on MNK, Balance on MNK, Spear on MNK, and so on MNK.

[Shenrien]

Arrow on BLM can be pretty fucking amazing paired with selene and leylines.

[Alistaire]

Arrow on BLM can be pretty fucking amazing paired with selene and leylines.

But then you'll get witch-hunted!

[Shaano]

I've had enhanced arrow with selene/leylines, I about lost my shit as I didn't know what to do going so fast.

[Detzu]

Please see the AST thread for further details.

And hey, even 2 Hildy quests is better than none.

23 pages of reading... can't you just sum up why WHM is still preferred over AST? (I didn't play AST yet).