PC Build Advice/Review II: 3090 or Bust.

[Isiolia]

I believe Ryzen 3rd gen is gonna be hot shit, no question. Just hedging so I don't end up disappointed!

Same-ish, and pretty much anticipating building a new machine this year using it provided it's reasonably in line with expectations. My 3770k has had a good run.

[Salodin]

I mean I'm excited mostly for the price drops it brought to Zen 1 and Zen+. Built the gf a budget 2400G comp, entire tower was $350.

Can you post the build?

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[Gredival]

Can you post the build?

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Ryzen 2400G & Asus B350 Prime - $165 combo price at Microcenter
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 3000c16 - $70 at Amazon
Corsair CX 450 80 Bronze - $40 at Amazon
Corsair Carbide Spec 04 Blackl/Red - $45 at Newegg
10% sales tax in CA - $32

I am counting the rebates in the final prices, but I also sold the AMD game pack that came with the processor and I'm not including that as money off.

[Salodin]

Man I've been on the fence on building a budget micro case for the gf so she can play sims 4 in peace. If prices drop heavy after the launch of the new line I might just pull the trigger.

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[Gredival]

Man I've been on the fence on building a budget micro case for the gf so she can play sims 4 in peace. If prices drop heavy after the launch of the new line I might just pull the trigger.

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This is close to bottom of the mark for the
near future. The 2000 chips are reduced ahead of the 3000 and probably won't go too much lower until the 3000 start getting price drops

Ram is bottoming out because there's so much supply after the manufacturers got hit for colluding to choke supply, but they are slowing production so prices will start rising once demand picks up (when people are buying more for Zen 2)

You could save more by waiting a little bit don't hold too long.

(Oh and I'm reusing a cheapo SSD and Windows so I guess factor those in if you are building completely from scratch)

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[Kalmado]

I've been considering buying parts to make a cheap build to sell for minimal profit just to get rid of some cases I have on hand. Below is what I could do with some Micro Center open box on the MB and GPU. Case & PSU is for price point and this is before tax. Fucking strong build for the price.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor ($79.99)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($21.96)
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($38.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Team - GX2 256 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($25.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor - Radeon RX 570 4 GB RED DRAGON Video Card ($95.99)
Case: Corsair - SPEC-05 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - EVO Edition 620 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($39.99)
Total: $402.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-31 18:38 EDT-0400

[Gredival]

If you're going with a discrete card I feel like you might as well throw in the 16GB of RAM for the dual channel benefit

Or buy a 16GB set that's 4x 4GB sticks and put 8GB in each tower.

[Kalmado]

If you're going with a discrete card I feel like you might as well throw in the 16GB of RAM for the dual channel benefit

I don't disagree. Only thought is it eats into potential profit. However, my local CL has PC's with a I7-7700(non K), 1070, 16gb ram, and similar the rest for $1000. Or Dell shitboxes for $250. I have the below I'm about to finish off as I just got the SSD today and am debating what I should sell it for and/or if I should remove the second HD 7870, which is a Sapphire (blame pcpartpicker). I can't remember what I paid for the cpu and mb as I bought those back in 2014 for a buddy's budget build. Another Micro Center open box deal.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD - FX-6300 3.5 GHz 6-Core OEM/Tray Processor ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 LED 66.3 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler (Purchased For $16.99)
Motherboard: MSI - 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance Pro 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR3-1866 Memory
Storage: Crucial - BX500 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $20.09)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Black 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $20.00)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon HD 7870 2 GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) (Purchased For $40.00)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon HD 7870 2 GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) (Purchased For $40.00)
Case: Rosewill - NAUTILUS ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $19.99)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - EVO Edition 620 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $39.99)
Total: $286.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-31 18:51 EDT-0400

[Kalmado]

Below is my new "couch PC" build. I had listed the cpu/mb/ram numerous times with no bites so said fuck it and built the PC since that case was too nice to just give away. PSU is from the same build the cpu/mb from above came from back in 2014. I haven't ran benches yet but I'm excited. The price on the R9 390 is pretty inline with sites like /r/hardwareswap or other tech forum sales sites. I've also read the G4560 is an even bigger budget monster than the super overclocked G3258.


PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5 GHz Dual-Core Processor (Purchased For $39.99)
Motherboard: MSI - B250M PRO-VDH Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (Purchased For $39.99)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (Purchased For $44.99)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $39.86)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon R9 390 8 GB Video Card (Purchased For $87.00)
Case: Inwin - 301 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (Purchased For $49.99)
Power Supply: XFX - TS 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $26.99)
Total: $328.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-31 19:09 EDT-0400

[Gredival]

I don't disagree. Only thought is it eats into potential profit.

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-...82E16820231887

Put two sticks of 4GB in each build you're selling. Not overspending on 16GB but you get the dual channel benefits at the same price.

[Arkanna]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-...82E16820231887

Put two sticks of 4GB in each build you're selling. Not overspending on 16GB but you get the dual channel benefits at the same price.

Preach!

[Kalmado]

My only take is 2400 speed in Ryzen builds which favor faster ram speed. However I'm not against it! I'm patiently watching my "local" Micro Center, which is 85 miles away, for deals so no rush. I wish some BG peeps were local or I knew more that would want a great budget build cause I hate selling to randoms.

[Krandor]

Not overly impressed with AMD's Navi/5700 GPUs. I get it's the ideal target market, but that's how many generations we've seen now were AMD spends years developing a new architecture to only end up battling the midrange offerings of Intel and Nvidia.

They're being marketed as 1440p target cards, and a scaled down version of those is gonna be powering the next Playstation and Xbox? Doesn't bode well for seeing graphics technology (or consoles going past 30 fps) advance

[Andalusian girls]

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3401...ing-crown.html

-crowd of black kids going ohhhhhhhhhh

[Gryffes]

3950X being on AM4 is great though, 16 core/32 thread.

The 3900x and 3950x are basically threadripper on desktop platform.
the 24 core and 32 core parts are likely to remain on a TR platform though.
Think about the binning on that though, 16 core/32 thread with 4.7ghz boost on the same platform at 105 TDP, vs the 3800x at 8 core/16 thread @4.5ghz at the same TDP.

Wat.

[NynJa]

Are there any issues in using a WD Red in a desktop for storage? 10TB Nas drives are $350 CAD, or $0.035 / GB. That same drive is actually more expensive on amazon.com (303 USD or 400+ CAD). I tried googling, and I got mixed responses, some of which were dated to 2+ years ago, and some that said to not use Red simply cause "blue or green are cheaper", which doesnt seem to be the case here.

To compare, a 4TB WD Blue is $110 CAD or 0.027/GB

Also not touching Seagate with a 20ft pole.

[Gredival]

Are there any issues in using a WD Red in a desktop for storage? 10TB Nas drives are $350 CAD, or $0.035 / GB. That same drive is actually more expensive on amazon.com (303 USD or 400+ CAD). I tried googling, and I got mixed responses, some of which were dated to 2+ years ago, and some that said to not use Red simply cause "blue or green are cheaper", which doesnt seem to be the case here.

To compare, a 4TB WD Blue is $110 CAD or 0.027/GB

Also not touching Seagate with a 20ft pole.

IIRC the Red drives are meant to be NAS drives and in particular the WD Reds are generally much better rated (longer mean time between failure) than the WD Blues. So there is no issue with getting a WD Red if it's cheaper.

The cheapest storage solution in my experience has been to get a BestBuy WD external drive and "shuck it" to get the inside drive. These go on sale frequently and they either have WD Reds inside or they have WD Whites (which are basically relabeled reds). The one caveat is sometimes you have to cover one of the pins on the power port to get them to work with certain PSUs.

Also Seagate's failure rates on 1TB and 3TB are terrible, but their failure rate for 4TB is in line with WD. Hitachi actually has the lowest failure reported.

[NynJa]

The cheapest storage solution in my experience has been to get a BestBuy WD external drive and "shuck it" to get the inside drive.

That is actually a great idea.

https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product...-nesn/10482140

8TB for 195 CAD comes to 0.024/GB. Might go that route instead.

Thank you

[Kalmado]

That's what I did with a 8TB Seagate external. 1+ year and going just fine.

[Jamison]

The cheapest storage solution in my experience has been to get a BestBuy WD external drive and "shuck it" to get the inside drive. These go on sale frequently and they either have WD Reds inside or they have WD Whites (which are basically relabeled reds). The one caveat is sometimes you have to cover one of the pins on the power port to get them to work with certain PSUs.

I've done several of these and it really is the best option. Lately 4TB and under is almost certainly going to be a white-label red, 8TB is a mix. With a lot of work in tracking serial numbers, it's possible to have a high chance at a red label, but ultimately that doesn't matter at all.

Some people use molex adapters to get around the pin issue, but that's highly discouraged and not completely safe. Using tape on the pin (which I've not had to personally do) is quite simple.