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    MicroCenter has apparently run out of the BL3/Outer Worlds game codes and also decreased the CPU/Mobo bundle deal to $20 instead of $30. Just in time for Cyber Monday.

    EDIT: This is what I'll likely end up with. Going to try the 980 TI vs 1070 TI and choose one to keep, sell the other. Wife bought me the case for my bday. Mobo price is the current offering based on the above change from MC (bastards).

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    CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.99 @ B&H)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid 240 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (Purchased For $0.00)
    Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($72.00)
    Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
    Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For $83.00)
    Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8 GB FTW ULTRA SILENT GAMING Video Card (Purchased For $210.00)
    Case: Rosewill CULLINAN V500 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $0.00)
    Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $0.00)
    Total: $624.98
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-02 10:14 EST-0500

    From Gred's post above, I plan on mounting the cooler exhausting through the top, the front will be intake as well as the rear. I'll maybe look for 3 more fans to put on the bottom to intake at a later time as well as a second set of fans for the radiator to push-pull. Ended up choosing the Rosewill for the included fans, basically, and because my wife was buying it and liked the RGB.

    EDIT2: I was also thinking of picking up a small Inland SSD as the boot drive. My wife asked if we could keep my PC as is so she could use it, which means I can't steal that SSD to use as my new boot drive.

    Is doing that a bad idea? Would it be too much stress on a store brand SSD?

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    The problem with the Inland drive, and other budget SSDs, is more performance than reliability. They have suboptimal controllers and most don't have a DRAM cache making them slower. Still faster than a HDD by miles, but noticeably slower than premium drives like Samsung and Crucial. Better controllers are also better at managing NAND wear to prevent sectors of the drive from permanently burning out unevenly.

    I don't think NVMe is worth the premium for most people (I opted against it in my last build) but I would definitely go with a better SSD for my primary drive. I use three drives: a Samsung EVO 250GB boot drive, a Patriot Burst 250GB secondary game drive, and a 8TB WD White media drive. I have the Patriot and the WD tiered together using AMD StoreMi so I don't have to manage them separately (free software with a x470 board to turn two drives into a hybrid)

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    So my other options would be a Crucial BX500 240GB for $33 or a Samsung 860 EVO 500GB for $55 unless I can find a better deal elsewhere. Haven't seen anything pop up that was better.

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    Not sure how this stacks up performance wise, but below is a link to a WD Blue 500GB m.2 which should come to $41.56 before tax. Must be Amazon Warehouse Deals and will/should qualify for 20% off.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...=ATVPDKIKX0DER

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    If you are fine with a 250GB, spend the extra $6 to get the Crucial MX500 for $39 at Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0764WCXCV...ing=UTF8&psc=1

    The MX has hardware-accelerated encryption and SLC caching. SLC caching improves write endurance which is part of the point in getting a good drive vs. a budget.

    Can't go wrong with going Samsung though. I'd personally pay the extra $20 for the extra 250GB on the Samsung.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalmado View Post
    Not sure how this stacks up performance wise, but below is a link to a WD Blue 500GB m.2 which should come to $41.56 before tax. Must be Amazon Warehouse Deals and will/should qualify for 20% off.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    I got the Intel 660p 1TB m.2 deal that's going around for my main game/whatever drive. Was more looking for something as a boot drive and whatever downloads/documents I may come across.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gredival View Post
    If you are fine with a 250GB, spend the extra $6 to get the Crucial MX500 for $39 at Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0764WCXCV...ing=UTF8&psc=1

    The MX has hardware-accelerated encryption and SLC caching. SLC caching improves write endurance which is part of the point in getting a good drive vs. a budget.

    Can't go wrong with going Samsung though. I'd personally pay the extra $20 for the extra 250GB on the Samsung.
    I may grab that one you posted as it would just be a boot drive + drivers + whatever else gets downloaded. Won't be my main drive.

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    MC wouldn't give me the $20 discount on the open box Mobo, so I ended up getting a new one for the same price as the open box ($84).

    I should have everything other than the boot drive today, with that coming in Thursday.

    EDIT: Oh, they also sold out of the Ripjaws between yesterday and today. They said 10+ in stock so I dunno how that happened, must have been bad accounting of stock or just not updating. I ended up with the HyperX Fury because they weren't sure when they were getting more in and ordering the Ripjaws from Newegg would either mean I don't get to assemble until next week or I pay an extra $8 for 3 day shipping (their next option above 7-10 day).

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    The discount drop on bundles just happened this week and I'm going to assume that's the standard moving forward. Unfortunate to hear they wouldn't give you the discount on the open box board. I haven't bought a bundle in over a year so maybe the MC near me is doing the same now and that's protocol. Something I have noticed about mine is their open box GPU prices are....not good. 20% off is usually on cards that are under $200 to begin with. Expensive cards usually see only 5-10% off and maybe 15%. For me, once I figure gas and time it's unfortunately not worth it for me to make that drive anymore.

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    Eh, the price drop is actually not that bad. There's a $10 rebate which makes it more of a pain, but you end up with the same price as the old $30 bundle.

    Didn't they used to have a $50 discount on bundles? I guess when the CPU itself is discounted from $250 to a flat $200 and you get $30 off on a bundle with the mobo that's where all their margin is.

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    Yes at a time it used to be $50 off the MB for buying a bundle. I was told by management in 2015 their model is they take a loss on the CPU by having such a good deal to get people in the door and they end up buying the majority of everything else while there. I definitely believe it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalmado View Post
    Yes at a time it used to be $50 off the MB for buying a bundle. I was told by management in 2015 their model is they take a loss on the CPU by having such a good deal to get people in the door and they end up buying the majority of everything else while there. I definitely believe it too.
    100%. I bought the majority of my build there because of the savings they offered with bundles.

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    It does work I guess. I ended up getting some thermal paste, a small 16GB flash drive for the windows installer/bios rom, and the RAM cause paying for shipping from Newegg wasn't worth it in the end.

    Since my Tomahawk is a new board it states it's ready for the 3000 series Ryzen. Is there any need to update the BIOS further? I looked at MSI's site earlier and saw there were a few updates after the initial compatibility, but wasn't sure it was worth updating the BIOS if it is already compatible with the CPU. My gut says no just so I don't screw something up.

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    If your ram isn't on the compatibility list for the motherboard then yes, absolutely update BIOS. I was a knucklehead and didn't check the list when I bought mine and at the time of purchase I could only get it stable at 2600 ish even tho it's rated for 3200. Now I have it at 2933 after a few BIOS updates. I could probably do better with some tweaking. Just haven't bothered lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokitoki View Post
    It does work I guess. I ended up getting some thermal paste, a small 16GB flash drive for the windows installer/bios rom, and the RAM cause paying for shipping from Newegg wasn't worth it in the end.

    Since my Tomahawk is a new board it states it's ready for the 3000 series Ryzen. Is there any need to update the BIOS further? I looked at MSI's site earlier and saw there were a few updates after the initial compatibility, but wasn't sure it was worth updating the BIOS if it is already compatible with the CPU. My gut says no just so I don't screw something up.
    Usually stability upgrades and like Kal said, expanding on RAM compatibility.

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    Thanks. I see 3200 is in the manual, I just need to enable A-XMP mode in the BIOS and set the frequency.

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