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    Transfering 5 TB's of data on a 1 gig connection is less than 3 hours. If you have more than that, you need to chill on the porn.

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    I would have built a dedicated PC with hot swap capabilities if you're going to be doing a lot of frequent transfers/old HDD accesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athas View Post
    I'd like to keep my current pc up until the new one is ready to go, and I got new drives since my current ones are getting on in years and didn't want to just move them.

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    Can you install the new drives in the old computer SATA slot and clone them?

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    Finally got around to testing the Sapphire Pulse Vega 56 I bought from Amazon Warehouse. Box had a small rip but other then that it was like brand new. Something I noticed when benching Far Cry New Dawn was as soon as the card was getting pushed hard there would be what sounded like coil whine. It seems to be a pretty common thing with the Sapphire card. After undervolting and changing the fan curve it made things much more bearable. FPS was mostly the same as the MSI Vega 56 Air Boost but noise was obviously MUCH better.

    So, what to do with the MSI card then? Crossfire of course! I've done minimal testing with it and have seen good and bad. First thing was benching Heaven which has great multi GPU scaling.

    CPU: Ryzen R7 1700X @ 3.9GHz
    Ram: DDR4 2933
    Monitor: 2560x1440 144HZ
    Preset: Ultra with AA and tesselation turned off

    Single Vega 56
    Average FPS: 93
    Score: 2341
    Low FPS: 36.5
    High FPS: 166.6

    Vega 56 Crossfire
    Average FPS: 174.4
    Score: 4393
    Low FPS: 32.3
    High FPS: 299.9 (Cap maybe?)

    Huge gains! As seen with the low FPS there was some dips and while watching the benchmark you'd see a small stutter but nothing detrimental. Naturally I was excited to fire up Far Cry New Dawn to see how a game would handle it and also because I'm currently playing it. Results? Disappointment! Benches were actually worse than single GPU! Normally that would point to the game not having multi GPU support. However, both FC ND and FC 5 have support yet both saw either similar or worse benchmarks with crossfire.

    After more researching I'm not done testing. There are some settings in Radeon that I need to check when benchmarking which may correct things. I suppose this is what people refer to when saying multi GPU setups are "a headache because you have to mess with things to get it right", or something. For me it's not a big deal. Of course it would be nice to just fire up a game and have it be perfect, but that's not even a guarantee with consoles anymore.

    After much deliberation of whether to return the Sapphire and sell the MSI to get a RX 5700 XT I've decided to keep both because I more than likely couldn't get shit for the MSI card and I really do not want to abuse Amazon's generous return policy. Also, there a plenty of games with proven solid multi GPU support that are in my backlog. While my investment into both cards isn't the greatest, I did buy the MSI card over a year ago when Vega 56 was very popular and it was found out this MSI could have Samsung memory which allows it to be flashed to a Vega 64 (mine does and I haven't flashed it). I wouldn't advise buying new cards for a multi GPU setup right now. However, if you have an older card, a power supply that can handle another, and found a second card for a killer deal I wouldn't see a problem with doing it. I personally do not thing it's as bad as people make it out to be. The biggest problem is being at the mercy of game developers for multi GPU support. But if a game has support the gains are awesome!

    Soon I'll be posting my living room build. What I'll say for now is after benching Heaven at 1920x1080 on Ultra, the I5-3550 with dual R9 380 4GB crushed it.

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    Ending up landing on this:

    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VjPx27

    I'll stick with AIO for now and put together the custom loop later, mostly for looks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weltall View Post
    Ending up landing on this:

    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VjPx27

    I'll stick with AIO for now and put together the custom loop later, mostly for looks.
    Your fans cost almost as much as my GPU!

    So after fighting with the two Vega 56 cards I have given up. I was going to use the Sapphire but that thing has some coil whine and after looking at Amazon's info on returning items to Kohl's for drop off, it states return for any reason so screw it. Here is some cool news tho. After fiddling with the MSI Vega 56 that has Samsung HBM2 it unfortunately will not take a Vega 64 BIOS. However, it led me down learning how to undervolt properly and holy shit I am VERY pleased now and unless a killer deal pops I'm most likely out of the market for a GPU for awhile. I don't know why I was doing this but I kept reading where to tune things incorrectly and I kept tuning only the GPU MHz in Wattman. After installing the latest stable version of drivers I went back into tuning and dropped GPU voltage, raised frequency a little, raised Vram frequency, and bumped up Vram voltage a little. Power limit is maxed and the new driver has a better fan control which allows me to keep the fan of this reference card at 25%. I've only tested Far Cry New Dawn so far but I was able to actually gain on average 5 FPS while dropping fan noise considerably.

    Since Nvidia dropped price on the 2060 now and people are also buying AMD's Navi cards, people may sell their Vega cards cheap to fund a new purchase. Some guy on Reddit said he even got a Radeon VII for $300 from their local FB marketplace. After the latest driver a user on /r/amd says the Radeon VII is outperforming their Titan Xp (not Titan XP) in all games. That is very impressive but finding one at a low cost is the tough part.

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    I'm building a new budget/mid range pc. I was wondering if anyone can see any issues with what I have picked out or any improvements that don't increase the cost by too much. Thanks

    https://pcpartpicker.com/user/kenokai/saved/8MvW3C

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hajuka View Post
    I'm building a new budget/mid range pc. I was wondering if anyone can see any issues with what I have picked out or any improvements that don't increase the cost by too much. Thanks

    https://pcpartpicker.com/user/kenokai/saved/8MvW3C
    If your board supports either of these NVME, you gain a huge performance increase for minimal $:

    $1 more only: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZZYWTBP...073SB2MXT?th=1

    $50 more, if you want to keep with the WD brand: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07M64QXMN...c_p_m_5_i&th=1

    I'd go with the Sabrent for $1 more and a very substantial improvement. Again, double-check your board supports it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hajuka View Post
    I'm building a new budget/mid range pc. I was wondering if anyone can see any issues with what I have picked out or any improvements that don't increase the cost by too much. Thanks

    https://pcpartpicker.com/user/kenokai/saved/8MvW3C
    Agreed with Welt about the NVME. For PSU you can get similar quality for much anywhere from $50-$65 or so. For GPU, even with the current state of drivers on AMD I'd get a 5700/XT over a 2060 Super. Right now numerous outlets has the XFX 5700 Double D for $300. I've seen from a few places that card specifically has good luck flashing BIOS to 5700 XT. If I didn't just get a steal on a card I'd be buying that right now. If you're firm on Nvidia, $400 on a 2070 isn't uncommon, especially for refurbished. EVGA constantly has 2070 for $400 as b-stock and it has a 1 year warranty. For case, I've used the Rosewill Challenger before. It's OK, especially if you have a lot of HDD to store (7 bays) and want a dvd drive. $50 usually can offer a plethora of decent tempered glass cases. A case is sort of hard to recommend because I could love a case by it's looks and 10 others could hate it. About the only other thing I'd suggest is getting a decent cooler for the CPU. There isn't anything inherently wrong with the Ryzen stock, but getting even a Hyper 212 will open room for overclocking. I'm on first gen Ryzen and I'm starting to see a decent FPS difference in newer titles from stock to having an overclock.

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    There's no point overclocking the X versions. You will very rarely get a stable all-core clock that's better than AMD's turbo boosted single core. If you want to OC, get the normal 2700/2600 (or 1600 if you plan to upgrade chips soon) and pair with a Noctua or a Scythe Mugen. It will take tinkering and maybe some headaches, but you can min-max dollar investment by a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gredival View Post
    There's no point overclocking the X versions. You will very rarely get a stable all-core clock that's better than AMD's turbo boosted single core. If you want to OC, get the normal 2700/2600 (or 1600 if you plan to upgrade chips soon) and pair with a Noctua or a Scythe Mugen. It will take tinkering and maybe some headaches, but you can min-max dollar investment by a lot.
    What I noticed with my 1700X at stock was while benching Far Cry 5 and New Daw I would never go over 3.5GHz for some reason. This was per CPU-Z. At stock voltage I bumped it to 3.9GHz. In FC ND my fps on average went up by 4, which may not seem by much but I am thrilled. I am looking at trying to sell it and get a 2700(X) at minimum because I guess the CPU is part of why I'm getting roughly 15 FPS lower in benches compared to respectable YT reviewers. I'm debating on doing a BIOS update to see if I can finally get 3200 out of my 3200 ram I bought....

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    Are you running custom timings on the ram with the Ryzen calculator yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gredival View Post
    Are you running custom timings on the ram with the Ryzen calculator yet?

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    No. I should take a look at that today or very soon.

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    Thank's for the help. I'm going to use the Sabrent drive Weltall suggested and the radeon card Kalmado suggested. I don't plan on overclocking it so I think I should be ok with the stock fan that comes with the Ryzen.

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    The non-X version of the 2700 is on sale at Newegg right now for $135 with promo code EMCDGED22

    Comes with the game and Xbox pass

    https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-2...0bJGeFO83QFrqA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gredival View Post
    Are you running custom timings on the ram with the Ryzen calculator yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalmado View Post
    No. I should take a look at that today or very soon.
    Got around to it. No go although I didn't find some of the settings I was supposed to change. Also, I used the minimum dram voltage suggested so I have room to play with with. Maybe a good chance that just a few tweaks will make it work as I was able to get into windows after entering my PIN but then crashed and went into constant reboot.

    Installed the 2700X today and will play with overclocking tomorrow or Tuesday to see what it can do. I'm still using a Corsair H80i GT but have a brand new Cooler Master ML240 that I could use or sell.

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    Just swapped my 2600 out for a 3600X courtesy of Microcenter. Haven't tested overclocking yet, just playing with defaults to see what the base gains were. Seems like without tinkering I'm one of those that isn't getting the advertised max boost. The highest clock I got on Prime was 4.265GHz but the chip basically stayed at 58.5 degrees the entire time (compare that to the 2600 at 4.1 max with a 65~ temp under load in a torture test). So there's improvement right off the bat and definitely a lot of temp/voltage headroom room to see if I can get a manual all-core OC at 4.3 or so.

    Had to update the BIOS to switch chips so I'm also going to see if the BIOS and AEGSA updates let me push the RAM any further. It was 3600c19 stock and I had it on 3200c14

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    What apps do you use to test your ryzen? I'm about to do a reformat/reconfigure and get all these external drives, inside, and just do a general overall but I wanted something to measure the outcome cause I normally dont get too deep into benchmarks.

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    You can use Prime95, Intel Burn Test, and Aida64. I moved from a 1700X to a 2700X just a few weeks ago myself and while I haven't overclocked or benched just the CPU, I saw gains in the Far Cry New Dawn benchmark. I think tonight I'm going to try recording & streaming RPCS3 Demon's Souls to see how my new hardware handles it and if the PS3 emulator is just better in general with the new hardware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salodin View Post
    What apps do you use to test your ryzen? I'm about to do a reformat/reconfigure and get all these external drives, inside, and just do a general overall but I wanted something to measure the outcome cause I normally dont get too deep into benchmarks.

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    I usually give things a run in 3DMark Firestrike to see the score, but I stress test with Prime95 blender and monitor with HWinfo.

    I am using the Ryzen RAM Calculator and Thaiphoon to do the RAM settings.

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