Turns out the bad moves are actually locked until a certain number of turns pass. 4 turns for AoE blizzara, 5 turns for single target blizzaja, 6 for AoE blizzaga, and 8 turns for deluge, so it ends up being a dps race similar to U Rufus a while back with what is effectively a soft-rage at turn 8. Wall is probably worth bringing afterall if you're lacking the burst to win the fight quick enough, since it mitigates everything other than the water plume/cannon single target attacks.
I got this fight in the bag if I just get Edward and Edge up in level. Right now they're just too low to survive major hits but Edge is soloing Asura with his damage.
I might drop the katana RM and go with doublecast Celerity.
U+ seemed easier than Sephiroth's but I could've just been lucky and used strats from the thread.
Silly build I used, but worked out. One minor scare with Deluge (used only once) but that was all. Forgot to give Cloud a FFIV sword.
RW was Mighty Guard for the Shell/Regen.
Tyvm for the info, decided to change my setup from somewhat defensive to flat out offensive. Now I don't have to level Ed/Edge/Kain to 80 this Sundaily.
Setup:
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Cid's Ult+ done. Damn that was a pain in the ass with Asura's heals/hasting.
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Fran even died at the end and I still got max medals, lol.
Also, fucking Pecil is such a beast lol, dude hitting 9999 Banishing Strikes on both U and U+ with Excalibur.
Another U/U+ where I don't have my chars leveled enough to do this, but doing it with my regular team and..1/1 on both of em. First time Asura/Levi I lost two people, but I'd done the other conditions so it was an easy mastery.
Wind bitch was a joke. Cecil destroyed her D:
Can't deal enough dmg for this u+ cm melee or Mage meta
Gear is too weak, even with shout and lolmythrilrefresh and got offence +10%. I'm missing abilities when leviathan hits 40%
i crushed these handily with a-teams but i don't quite have the characters for CM, shame because i can cover the full trinity in IV after banner 1. rosa in particular is pretty insane once you realize you can just give her wrath + knight's charge and keep magic blink on nearly fulltime.
rydia's my only 80 in IV right now though, and while kain/rosa are getting up there, i'd need to burn a bunch of eggs on edward to get him up to speed and it doesn't seem worth it for a couple orbs.
Trying to clear the U+ CM without using unique SBs in my party is not working out. Going offensive I can't clear fast enough before deluge/blizzaga spam wipes me out. Going defensive similar to my U+ Sephiroth build I can easily survive for a long time, but then I run out of hones and unable to win.
I'm thinking at least 1-2 good unique SBs are needed to have a viable shot so anyone who didn't get anything good is probably out of luck, and I'd definitely not advise pulling simply for the sake of clearing CMs for a meager 2 orbs. For those lucky enough to have pulled edward's harp, the following mage build worked great for me with just 1 unique SB:
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EDIT: Someone did manage a clear with no unique SBs on reddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKee...no_unique_sbs/
I cleared the U+ CM last night and playing around today I managed to get a mastery clear.
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Kain was by far the MVP. Two SSB uses did just over 50k damage and I was really short on hones by the time I beat Levi. I don't think I could have done it without that. Dragoon jump was doing great damage too. High 9k's per hit against Asura really burst her down fast.
Edward used the celebration blade for slow buster to proc the slow medal condition. It's not a 100% slow so I would S/L if it didn't proc.
I did make sure to reapply pro/shellga as necessary to deal with dispel spam.
Also I'm kind of amazed that I was able to do it since my synergy is shit for IV. I only used 2 natural IV 5*s for this setup.
I forgot to add that I used shout as the RW.
If anyone find a guide for ULT+ CM with 0 Unique SB and almost 0 synergy
bring it this way (Mastering is not an obligation)
https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKee...no_unique_sbs/ posted this 2 posts above yours, though if you arent able to produce 2 mage sticks and a melee weapon with synergy it might not work so well.
I tried out that strat and managed to get the clear.
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I did have to make a few changes though. I have two mage sticks but only used a 4*++ dagger on Decil. I do have Golbez' axe but I didn't have a chance to use his SB. I switched Tellah to Fusoya so I could use his default AoE regen SB at the beginning. It did help somewhat with healing even with dispel spam. I still had two shared heal SB's too
Managed to get U+ down to only Levi at about 30-40% but then some RNG knocks out my main DDs (Rydia + Edge's SB).
Pretty sure I'll be able to handle the CM before I throw my A-team at it and decimate the fuck out of them.
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Same setup for U+ except Wall instead of Shout (used Souleater) and only Expert cause didn't bring Slow and lost a medal for damage taken.
Finally got this. Amazingly enough I mastered it.
mastered barb with no deaths with cm team, went with a shout RW and the idea to kill her before she killed me. not too bad
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cleared ult+ with A team but struggling with CM. was using SG RW for it and I can turtle up no problem but it takes way too long to kill asura. thinking about switching to a shout strat but asura will probably rip people to shreds.
i have decent ff4 synergy but no greats SBs (kains blood lance, pecil mythgraven, generic flame sword)
edit: maybe I can try corwen's strat with golbez