President Donald J. Trump: Orange is the New Black, House Slytherin Rises Also Heil Trump!

[Byrthnoth]

Because he's a petty little bitch who might retaliate against the career government employees who were responsible for the decision?

[Deftscythe]

Okay? That doesn't really answer my question.

[Salodin]

but they do say it

All I see them saying is how no agency has come out to say there is no connection, Flynn resigned over secret Russia talks, Sessions recused himself over secret Russia talks, and how hard the appropriate committees have been dragging there feet to look into this.

BUT HER EMAILS!

[archibaldcrane]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/0....co/mDYu8CFxRB



Can someone explain this to me? It's obvious why the DoJ would want to maintain it's independence(if it has any while Sessions is AG) from the White House in this matter, but if Trump can prove that he was put under surveillance, then wouldn't he be within his rights to demand to see authorization?

That's not how FISA warrants work

[Heavencloud]

BUT HER EMAILS!

AMEN BROTHA

[Deftscythe]

That's not how FISA warrants work

Very helpful. Thank you. You could have just said "no, I won't explain it."

[archibaldcrane]

If there is probable cause that a person is conspiring with a foreign entity (nation, terrorist group, etc) the secret FISA court is where the FBI would present evidence to get such a wiretap approved.

The subject of a FISA warrant isn't privy to this information.

[Day]

https://twitter.com/RealPlatos_cave/...09569121783808

Pretty good

[Deftscythe]

If there is probable cause that a person is conspiring with a foreign entity (nation, terrorist group, etc) the secret FISA court is where the FBI would present evidence to get such a wiretap approved.

The subject of a FISA warrant isn't privy to this information.

Sorry, let me be more clear. Obviously making the subject of a FISA warrant aware of the warrant would defeat the purpose, but if that subject were later to become aware he was being monitored independently, could he not take the matter to court and demand proof that the warrant exists and that he was not being monitored illegally?

[archibaldcrane]

Sorry, let me be more clear. Obviously making the subject of a FISA warrant aware of the warrant would defeat the purpose, but if that subject were later to become aware he was being monitored independently, could he not take the matter to court and demand proof that the warrant exists and that he was not being monitored illegally?

Not that I know of. Besides all the reporting "that made him aware" suggest that a FISA warrant was involved, making it not illegal.

[Deftscythe]

Well, while that's terrifying, I find it totally believable for our country.

[Byrthnoth]

Well, while that's terrifying, I find it totally believable for our country.

Welcome to everything we learned from Snowden.

[tyven]

https://twitter.com/RealPlatos_cave/...09569121783808

Pretty good

Lol

[archibaldcrane]

Well, while that's terrifying, I find it totally believable for our country.

Is that any different from a wiretap by law enforcement to, say, catch a mobster?

[Deftscythe]

It's not the fact of the wiretapping, it's the fact that the government has no responsibility to prove that a court found sufficient evidence to justify the wiretapping.

[Day]

RE: FISA Stuff http://venturebeat.com/2012/12/31/obama-fisa/

The FISA bill gives the government clearance to tap into American citizens’ communications with people outside of the U.S. without a warrant, so long as it is done in the name of collecting foreign intelligence. Obama has previously stated his approval of the bill, saying that the U.S. needs such measures when dealing with national security. More specifically, it means that government entities such as the National Security Agency are able to watch Americans without probable cause. They need only an order from the secret FISA court, and they don’t have to alert the targeted citizen prior to the wiretapping.

[Meresgi]

https://twitter.com/hashtag/shadowGovernment?src=hash

This is full of sensible information and not crazy people.

[Fiye]

Holy shit that is lit.

[Heavencloud]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5b15b0e74a46

But if that exchange doesn't make you feel good, you need to go to the doctor because you don't have a heart.

Wonder why WaPo likes McCain and hates Trump? Couldn't be that they're both shills for foreigners, right?

[Fiye]

I don't see the point you're trying to make?

http://puu.sh/uuQB0/902a7d3480.png

Like I highlighted it and don't see any hidden white text.