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    Diadem Coven Weapon(s)

    PLD sword and shield dropped to someone in our FC today. His PLD is 30.





    Sword seems better than the shield but neither great? Not sure, I'm not a PLD!

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    Shield is pretty shit, but that sword is really good since it allows to change alex neck for shire.

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    That's pretty legit.

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    For dps weights the shield is only 129.279 vs 130.444 alex shield, and 138.348 shire (relic @ 152.625 with max crit/det and no extras, idk how many points get left over on shield), but vs alex at least it'd be a contender if that 18 acc frees something up or you value it being 450 block rate/strength instead of relic/alex's 421 and shire's 416.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eludi View Post
    Shield is pretty shit, but that sword is really good since it allows to change alex neck for shire.
    Savage accuracy cap is 699. Switching out Alex Neck for Shire/Ultima would put you at 694 with food. You would have to use both sword and shield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carth View Post
    Savage accuracy cap is 699. Switching out Alex Neck for Shire/Ultima would put you at 694 with food. You would have to use both sword and shield.

    Nah you change a meld. BiS with Anima has ACC melds in Shire head and Alex body. You would do something similar here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taint View Post
    Nah you change a meld. BiS with Anima has ACC melds in Shire head and Alex body. You would do something similar here.

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    Ah, I never thought about getting Accuracy melds. Makes a lot of sense though.

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    I'm just surprised that this image isn't being pasted every time someone starts complaining about i280 weapons:



    That is not a BiS weapon. These weapons are a lot more random than people are giving them credit for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider-Dan View Post
    I'm just surprised that this image isn't being pasted every time someone starts complaining about i280 weapons:



    That is not a BiS weapon. These weapons are a lot more random than people are giving them credit for.

    Only tanks have that issue however since Parry is utter garbage.

    I've seen some baller weapons like a BLM staff with ~120 SS, ~100crit, ~50 det and ~30 acc.

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    There was a BLM staff with just 150 spell speed that I doublechecked, it beat both alex and relic.

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    Is a BLM staff with just 135 ACC BiS?

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    Edit: A perfect Anima and gear build would beat a i280 staff with 135acc (only) by 1 stat point. 3651 to 3650

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    I did not play with piety since I don't know much about BLM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taint View Post
    Edit: A perfect Anima and gear build would beat a i280 staff with 135acc (only) by 1 stat point. 3651 to 3650

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    I did not play with piety since I don't know much about BLM.
    That just piece for piece though? 135 acc would probably allow a lot more than 1 stat point boost in other gear slots... (only "probably" in case it's like nin, which before relic 275 its bis went to somethin like 730 acc just because those were the best pieces even ignoring acc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistaire View Post
    That just piece for piece though? 135 acc would probably allow a lot more than 1 stat point boost in other gear slots... (only "probably" in case it's like nin, which before relic 275 its bis went to somethin like 730 acc just because those were the best pieces even ignoring acc)


    I just used the BiS Solver with standard melds of Crit > SS > Det on gear. The anima is 28 points ahead of a i280 with only ACC as a secondary. So using the ACC only made up 27 state points, Animas still won by a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taint View Post
    I just used the BiS Solver with standard melds of Crit > SS > Det on gear. The anima is 28 points ahead of a i280 with only ACC as a secondary. So using the ACC only made up 27 state points, Animas still won by a point.
    Thought for BLM, SS > Crit > Det. Not that it particularly matters in this case, I'd imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukari View Post
    Thought for BLM, SS > Crit > Det. Not that it particularly matters in this case, I'd imagine.
    You are correct on both accounts. (SS is better and it didn't change the results)

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    You've also got to remember with stat weights that they are only really applicable at that amount of WD. As soon as you start comparing vs a higher WD weapon, secondaries become much more valuable on the higher WD weapon - even if it has none on, the current stats you have from the rest of the gear gives much more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haroldsaxon View Post
    You've also got to remember with stat weights that they are only really applicable at that amount of WD. As soon as you start comparing vs a higher WD weapon, secondaries become much more valuable on the higher WD weapon - even if it has none on, the current stats you have from the rest of the gear gives much more.
    Source?

    WD is part of the calculation for secondaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taint View Post
    Source?

    WD is part of the calculation for secondaries.
    Source is how the secondaries weights change every time they release a new raid tier, because we keep getting more main stat and WD. And the secondary weights only keep going up. Think about it like this. If you do 500 DPS, being able to cast twice as fast gives you +500 DPS. If you did 1000 DPS, the same amount of spell speed would give you +1000 DPS.