2017 NHL Offseason Thread - Phil Kessel Signed a Baby

[bori]

Some interesting drama going on with LeBettman and Calgary mayor Naheed Nenshi.

https://deadspin.com/what-the-nhl-is...ium=socialflow

[Obsidian]

Gonna laugh my ass off if the Flames actually leave.

Will also laugh my ass off if they talk all this shit and then do nothing after Nenshi gets re-elected.

[NynJa]

I read that Ken King wants the city to foot the entire arena bill, get a major tax break, and will not be giving anything back to the city from these handouts.

[Obsidian]

Why would he when no other arena/team owner does? Cities foot 80% of the bill (or more), the owners rake in the profits. The only reparations are "economic" which are dubious at best.

[NynJa]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalne...-paid-for/amp/

Since that is the most recent. Yes the city paid for a decent chunk, but that entire area isnt just an arena. Also, the city will own the arena, not Katz.


http://www.theaircanadacentre.com/co...mpanyFacts.asp
All privately funded


https://doniveson.ca/wp-content/uplo...na-Funding.pdf

Bell centre and Rogers Arena were also 100% privately funded. Scotiabank place had a loan of 26.8 mil of the 170 cost.


Youre just wrong here bud.

[Vaspinne]

This arena debacle has really ramped up over the last month or so. I've kept my mouth shut (on here anyway) about it because the stance The Flames ownership and Bettman have taken is incredibly stupid to the point that if the Flames leave (they won't), then good riddance.

Plenty of arenas are privately funded as Nynja has pointed out. Almost all the NHL arenas in Canada are, and the one exception in Edmonton will see their investment paid back over a course of time through lease payments with interest from the Katz group. Calgary ownership doesn't want to pay anything back at all, doesn't want to pay rent, doesn't want to share revenues, barely wants to contribute to the initial costs and wants to be tax exempt as well. Not to mention the Flames ownership group is composed of fucking billionaires who are just trying to scam the city of as much money as possible. The richest of the bunch even moved out of Calgary to the U.K. so he could avoid paying taxes.

The good news is that Nenshi, the current mayor and favourite to be re-elected, isn't biting. And from the sounds of it, the more the NHL and the Flames ownership speak out, the more the citizens of Calgary are getting fed up with the bullshit they're spouting. There has been tons of research over the last 5 decades how arenas have little to no actual economic impact in the areas they're built in, and how cities usually never see their initial investment returned in the way of taxes and increased economic action, so I'm happy that Calgary as a city isn't just bending over backwards to appease a handful of greedy fucking billionaires

[Obsidian]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalne...-paid-for/amp/

Since that is the most recent. Yes the city paid for a decent chunk, but that entire area isnt just an arena. Also, the city will own the arena, not Katz.


http://www.theaircanadacentre.com/co...mpanyFacts.asp
All privately funded


https://doniveson.ca/wp-content/uplo...na-Funding.pdf

Bell centre and Rogers Arena were also 100% privately funded. Scotiabank place had a loan of 26.8 mil of the 170 cost.


Youre just wrong here bud.

I suppose I should start being more literal for you since you take everything I say literally (or figuratively, depending on how it suits the point you're trying to make). Yes, the Canadian arenas are privately funded. The lion's share of the league is not Canadian, most of those arenas are built with heavy assistance from public funding, most of those cities do not make any money off those arenas, and if you look outside the NHL, to the NBA and specifically the NFL, almost none of those stadiums are built without public funding.

So yes, Gary Bettman and the NHL and the Flames' partly-American heads of staff are trying to apply the "American" method of getting an arena built, which is to pay for less than half of it.

In less stupid news, the Leafs powerplay is cartoonishly effective.

[Ratatapa]

This third period took forever

[NynJa]

I suppose I should start being more literal for you since you take everything I say literally (or figuratively, depending on how it suits the point you're trying to make). Yes, the Canadian arenas are privately funded. The lion's share of the league is not Canadian, most of those arenas are built with heavy assistance from public funding, most of those cities do not make any money off those arenas, and if you look outside the NHL, to the NBA and specifically the NFL, almost none of those stadiums are built without public funding.

So yes, Gary Bettman and the NHL and the Flames' partly-American heads of staff are trying to apply the "American" method of getting an arena built, which is to pay for less than half of it.

In less stupid news, the Leafs powerplay is cartoonishly effective.

http://hockey.ballparks.com/

Teams whos arenas were entirely or partially privately funded:
Dallas (~70%)
Islanders (~85% if I'm reading it correctly)
Florida (City owns the arena)
Buffalo (60%)
Rangers
Winnipeg (was built before the Jets came back)
Columbus
Colorado
New Jersey (33%, the city funded the rest, but nothing came from taxpayers)
St Louis (~75%)
Los Angeles (~75%)
Boston
Chicago
Washington
Philadelphia

YOU
ARE
WRONG

Consol Energy Center was to be privately funded, but the state refused to give a gambling permit, so the funders bailed. Lemieux threatened to relocate, and then the state stepped in. Flyers fans love paying for the Pens arena!

Also, Vegas's arena was also privately funded.


24 American teams, 15 privately funded. The ones I didnt list, who knows what the caveats of the public funding were. I sincerely doubt the teams that got publicly funded arenas went to their negotiations with "we wont give anything back to the city and we want full tax exemption" the way Ken King is. I have a big problem with this greedy billionaire asking for the city for a free present, then wanting tax exemptions, then have the gall to charge 450$ for fucking lower bowl tickets.

[Obsidian]

Two more for Matthews tonight.

[Sepukku]

http://hockey.ballparks.com/

Teams whos arenas were entirely or partially privately funded:
Dallas (~70%)
Islanders (~85% if I'm reading it correctly)
Florida (City owns the arena)
Buffalo (60%)
Rangers
Winnipeg (was built before the Jets came back)
Columbus
Colorado
New Jersey (33%, the city funded the rest, but nothing came from taxpayers)
St Louis (~75%)
Los Angeles (~75%)
Boston
Chicago
Washington
Philadelphia

YOU
ARE
WRONG

Consol Energy Center was to be privately funded, but the state refused to give a gambling permit, so the funders bailed. Lemieux threatened to relocate, and then the state stepped in. Flyers fans love paying for the Pens arena!

Also, Vegas's arena was also privately funded.


24 American teams, 15 privately funded. The ones I didnt list, who knows what the caveats of the public funding were. I sincerely doubt the teams that got publicly funded arenas went to their negotiations with "we wont give anything back to the city and we want full tax exemption" the way Ken King is. I have a big problem with this greedy billionaire asking for the city for a free present, then wanting tax exemptions, then have the gall to charge 450$ for fucking lower bowl tickets.

You know thats a hilarious point, I cant wait til I next see my Philly friends. They're paying for the arena the Pens have used en route to their last two cups.

[Cail]

Caps have been outscored 21-8 so far in the preseason

[NynJa]

How do u give up a PPG 22 seconds in?????

Seriously, im at work and cant watch

[Obsidian]

Dunno which Red Wing that was but he just blocked three blasts in about 15 seconds. Can't be feeling great after that shift lol.

[NynJa]

2 days ago Weber put the locker room on blast sayin theyre not ready for the regular season.

They got their first dub yesterday and are eviscerating the Sens tonight.

[NynJa]

And Mete just scored

He doesnt want to go back to London

[Ratatapa]

Too weak to get to 10

[Cail]

Just got 2 tickets for Caps@Bruins, Nov 4. On the glass, behind the goal the Caps shoot at twice. fucking pumped

[Vaspinne]

Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun 5h5 hours ago
Hearing that the Calgary Flames and Jaromir Jagr's camp are talking tonight. No certainty it happens but it's very possible.



I hope it doesn't mean Jankowski is getting sent down. I think it might mean Glass won't get signed. I think it does mean that Lazar has been a major disappointment during training camp so far.

Johnny - Mony - Ferland
3M line
Janko - Benny - Jagr
Any mix of Stajan, Brouwer, Glass (if he gets signed), F. Hamilton, and whoever else is left for the forth line

Stuff of dreams right there

Edit: I forgot about Kris Versteeg lol. Third line will probably be Versteeg - Benny - Jagr and Janko (if he isn't sent to the AHL) will probably be on the 4th and might move around the lineup

[bori]

Not set in stone but according to Bob McKenzie CGY/Jagr signing is getting close $1 Mil base + $1 mil bonuses