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  1. #121
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiye View Post
    V1 and V2 easy.

    About to start V3. I'm not excited.
    V3 has my new favorite boss taunt:


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    Is V3 harder than A11? I downed V2 yesterday and I thought it was a fair bit easier than A10 was.

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    Definitely easier than A11.

    More foregiveness from failures, enrage isnt an issue if you dont have too many deaths (< 5)

    The full hp bar when someone dies help a lot too, so the rezzed one doesnt die from next aoe raid dmg.

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    Mindjack-Tethers is the most fun raid mechanic I've experienced, however simple it is by itself. O3S is a fight that taunts you to beat it in a GOOD way, imo.

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    I can't compare V3 and A11 because I didn't clear A11 until the end of 3.4 and my raid group hit enrage on A3 with 8 deaths on the first week.

    Its definitely 90% different than its normal version though and the bulk of the fight (at the tail end) is basically fighting against her on a playfield that's best described as Kaizo where you have to react to her based off what tile she jumps on. You could be breaking tethers, standing on seperate tiles, positioning for a protean wave, or sprinting to a blue square.

    Its fun but i wouldn't dare try to pug this.

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    Also I can really appreciate how they turned a boring, forgetful, and slightly annoying FFV Boss into a really fun and unique raid encounter.

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    btw torment your groups.



    https://pastebin.com/5Bd08yDB

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    can't beat the dummy for o1s

    not surprising as even though I'm 312 my leg is 290 and my weapon - most important - is 310. gonna fix those two things and try again. I mean I made a few mistakes, buy my rotation was 99% on point and I finished with 8% health left so I think it's a gear problem

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    I killed the O1S dummy with like 4k (3950) sustained DPS and 5 secs left on SAM.

    I wanna say its overtuned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiye View Post
    I killed the O1S dummy with like 4k (3950) sustained DPS and 5 secs left on SAM.

    I wanna say its overtuned.
    That's good to know, at least. Maybe I'll try O1S and see how it goes

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    yeah, i needed ~4200 sustained to kill the O1S dummy with a few seconds to spare at the end. you have a lot more slack in the actual fight. my FC did our first clears for 1 & 2 today, got 1 down on the first lockout and i was at the top of the chart with only at 3800 or so on the winning run. parse for O2S was pretty similar, although that one's a bit less forgiving in that you need around 22k raid DPS to kill it before enrage (whereas we cleared O1S with about 20k).

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    Any average player should be able to handle O1 and O2. O3 requires a lot more coordination and more dps out of current gear.

    I'll get back you on O4S but i hear its very mean.

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    I wish every fight was like O3S to some degree. Reactionary random mechanics selection after letting you run through the sets one-by-one prior.

    Nice change of pace from fights being scripted to the point where you only need to care who gets picked for the upcoming mechanic vs. having to adjust for whatever actual mechanic is coming next.

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    o1s clear! o2s may or may not happen this week; that was exhausting lol

    not a hard fight but all it takes is one bad player to domino that shit out of control

    edit: ok, learning/practice pt is all good but... when the same player dies to the first antilight five times in a row, that's a whole other story :/

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    For the most part bad players don't domino Alte Roit, you can pretty much just take care of yourself on that fight. A bad player can die 20 times and you'll still win, lol.

    Catastrophe is mostly the same, except you need people to do Fourfold Sacrifice correctly, which is easy enough.

    I don't feel like you'll have too much trouble until you hit Halicarnassus, since she actually requires quite a bit of teamwork.

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    deaths in o1s don't wipe, but they do lower DPS significantly. and especially in learning/clear parties, one person dying often frustrates the party, or they occupy the healer and meanwhile something else is going on and someone else dies, etc. 20 deaths would require a lot of good DPS to still be a win. although that will quickly change as gear progresses


    it's not like Susano, though, where you can wipe the party by being stupid. I don't think I ever saw Susano enrage; I've seen Alte Roite enrage many times


    in related news, I took revenge on that fucking dummy today. easily murdered it even with a few small mistakes. :D ROT IN HELL, JERK

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    our first clear of O1S was really sloppy lots of deaths still cleared fine

    O2S was slightly sloppyish? But still fine DPS wise

    O3S we had a perfect run and had a LOOOOOT of time to spare

    O4S Exdeath itself is a really strict dps check with more annoying mechanics than anything. Neo Ex death is actually not as annoying but its more memorization much stricter dps check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuri-G View Post
    deaths in o1s don't wipe, but they do lower DPS significantly. and especially in learning/clear parties, one person dying often frustrates the party, or they occupy the healer and meanwhile something else is going on and someone else dies, etc. 20 deaths would require a lot of good DPS to still be a win. although that will quickly change as gear progresses


    it's not like Susano, though, where you can wipe the party by being stupid. I don't think I ever saw Susano enrage; I've seen Alte Roite enrage many times


    in related news, I took revenge on that fucking dummy today. easily murdered it even with a few small mistakes. :D ROT IN HELL, JERK
    Alte Roite does not require a lot of good DPS with that many deaths. It does require competent DPS, though.

    The enrage on that fight is stupidly lenient. We pretty much zerged our way through it on day 1 while meme-ing.

    If you're enraging your death count is way about 20, 2+ DPS are grossly incompetent, or your tanks/healers are people from reddit who don't believe that they should do DPS at all.

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    I'm talking about PUGs and learning/clear parties in PF; the enrage is pretty spot-on for those. YMMV if you have a static or friends you count on to play well, I suppose

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    You can kill O1S with a ton of DPS dying and no one reliably over 3.8k. If the training dummy was to be believed you would need all the DPS to be near 4k and not die, so yeah--overtuned.

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