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  1. #41
    Ridill
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    Makes sense. People have always noted how some items tend to almost always break even when you lower rates and hardly any of the other materials do

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    So started testing T0 +HQ stuff. Super duper preliminary results so don't go too crazy but with +4 HQ rate

    1k synths
    Breaks- 44 ~ 4.4%
    NQ- 932
    HQ- 24 ~2.4% of total 2.575% of successes. So yeah definite improvement but already seems doubtful the ~1% per +1 is holding out here.

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    What recipe are you using?

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    Same one I did for the no gear thing bone hairpin

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    Ok did another 3k T0 bone hairpin +4 HQ rate

    Totals are now

    4k synths
    Breaks- 180 ~ 4.5%
    NQ- 3720
    HQ- 100 ~2.5% of total 2.68% of successes.

    Compared to base with no +HQ

    4k synths
    Breaks- 208 ~ 5.2%
    NQ- 3715
    HQ- 77 ~1.925% of total 2.073% of successes.

    Think it's pretty safe to say we aint bumping T0 to T1 rates but still a decent increase

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    That's depressing. Did you have advanced support while you performed these tests?

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    No support though shouldn't make a difference. Don't think we've ever displayed a difference between tiers and besides that would've made testing waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more difficult/focus intensive.

    Honestly was a bit of a high hope to expecting +1-2 to double the rate lol. As is though full +10 should about double rate

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    The craft addon I wrote actually does auto support. I might do 4k worth of testing to see if it makes some difference for T0 (it seems like it reduces failure to me but idk.)

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    Ah you are thinking it has an effect on failure rate independent of skill? Maybe. Could do it at any tier really though as long as you above the cap base success rate is 95%. SE even confirmed that is the cap equipment and food can take you to 99%... which we've kind of known for a long time lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasva View Post
    Ok did another 3k T0 bone hairpin +4 HQ rate

    Totals are now

    4k synths
    Breaks- 180 ~ 4.5%
    NQ- 3720
    HQ- 100 ~2.5% of total 2.68% of successes.

    Compared to base with no +HQ

    4k synths
    Breaks- 208 ~ 5.2%
    NQ- 3715
    HQ- 77 ~1.925% of total 2.073% of successes.

    Think it's pretty safe to say we aint bumping T0 to T1 rates but still a decent increase
    Could it be a numeric increase with a base 512?
    10/512 v 14/512
    ~1.953% v ~2.73%

    EDIT: had a 2nd thought about HQ rate. It could be a nudge as Geomancy+/all songs+
    under that assumption, 10/512+(4x10)%=14/512 which would still best fit the static +4/512 of a static increase but would mean a still noticeable increase at higher than T0.

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    Maybe... think we'd need a bigger sample to tell for sure but I'm almost out of crystals and bored with all this crafting lol. Gets a pretty good idea of approximate increases though

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasva View Post
    Ah you are thinking it has an effect on failure rate independent of skill? Maybe. Could do it at any tier really though as long as you above the cap base success rate is 95%. SE even confirmed that is the cap equipment and food can take you to 99%... which we've kind of known for a long time lol
    I'm hoping there's some strange unintended interference caused by failure, although I do doubt that there is. They oversold the crafting update.

  13. #53
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    Well if just wanted to lower failure rate while still using rusks ionis + ring should be sufficient and easier to maintain long term though again sample size and I think I'm done with rates right now though might consider material loss rates... but that would be much easier with shield

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    Has anybody seen testing on T2/T3 with the new rates? The testing in this thread indicates that the boost is still relative to the tier in some way. It could explain how some HQ cursed items are appearing in large numbers on some servers because having the shield means T1 -> T2 might be the best path for getting those items using the enchantment.

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    So I'm pretty bored in real life, thinking of making a crafting comeback. Random questions below...

    What are the list of the +skill items now? I've been reading wikis, lemme know if I missed anything.

    +Skill gear/buffs:
    Weapon (cooking only, hocho).
    Shield +2 (ignore the +3 from Mog Bonanza)
    Torque +2
    2 different +1 guild point items
    +5 for the 15k synergy stall item
    +3 synth support

    This means every craft has at least +14, right? And Cooking has another +3 from hocho?

    +Skillups
    They changed it so you can get skillups off recipes that are a lower level than you, right? Up to 11 levels?
    This means I can hit 110 off a level 99 recipe?
    Does the skillup rate go down further away from the recipe level? In other words, is it harder to skillup at 109 off a level 95 recipe than it is at 99?

    HQ
    Coconut Rusk adds HQ
    Craftmaster's Ring +1
    Orvali Ring +1
    Shield again (plus enchantment)

    Man a lot has changed since 2013.

  16. #56
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    Yes on skill items. Yes on skillups. Not sure any testing was done on rate and gaps but I didn't notice much and honestly there is usually such a huge difference in availability and cost of items higher up fuck it do whatever is easiest lol.

    and yes on the HQ stuff though the other rusks do as well just not as much and orvali nq adds as much as hq.

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    derp. need coffee. @[email protected];;

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