Spoiler Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Spoiler Thread (It's not canon anyways)

[Virg]

My biggest problem with the Casino arc is mostly just its execution and feel/look. It just felt "off". I did however enjoy seeing that "other" side of the Star Wars universe that we´ve never seen before including all the grey areas between "good" and "evil". Just wish it was executed differently.

[Vaspinne]

Oh, I agree with you on that. I think they tried a bit too hard on focusing on how quick Finn/Rose needed to be and just being like "look how alien'y Star Wars is/let's make BB8 cute and funny", and didn't focus enough on the characters and their development.

Also, I already mentioned it but fuck, "hey we conveniently have a 2nd master hacker here" was absolutely awful lol

[Alistaire]

I hope they don't feel the need to kill Chewie off.

They've already seen the fan reaction from doing that.

[Elcura]

I have no idea how anyone can justify that pathetic death/send off for Luke lmao. I'm not even a huge Star Wars fan and I thought that was straight up bullshit. Fucking Anakin via prequel got a better send off into his transformation of Vader lol. That shit was epic by comparison.

But hey, Luke looked at two setting suns while he died cuz throwback! So all good.

I mean it's basically how most Jedi go out unless you're talking about the prequels...oh wait.

Obi-wan just stood there, Yoda just croaks and Vader has an asthma attack. So Luke sitting by the sunset and fading away was fine since he did something. My only complaint is that the fight was too short (but we know they just HAD to develop the worst pairing ever) not that Luke died peacefully.

Also, I kinda feel like I was watching an episode of DBZ. Everyone is being stupid/useless and shit is hitting the fan and all seems lost then suddenly Goku (Rey) shows up and fixes everything.

Edit: the more I think about it, the more this movie was basically just the Freiza saga lol

[Deftscythe]

Regarding Luke's death, when you look at it in the context of the rest of the movie, they told us it was going to end that way. Luke could come back to the fight, and he could do some good for a while, but eventually he'd have to face down Kylo and he can't win that fight. Yoda's line of "we are what they surpass" is referring not just to Rey but also Ben. If Kylo got to kill Luke it would crush the morale of the remaining resistance and anyone who was considering joining them and Luke knows that. Instead, he comes up with a plan to do the opposite, to make Kylo look like a fool while also demonstrating his own power. Remember, it's very likely that only Leia and Rey know what that demonstration cost. The kid with the broom was the whole point. Luke gave the resistance exactly what Rey told him they needed, a legend.

[Kaslo]

Amazed by all the people buying into the "Rey's parents were nobodies." There is zero evidence of that other than Kylo forcing Rey to admit it when she honestly can't remember.

[Adajer]

Rey killed snoak. (It doesnt seem likely because of the way it was shown to look like Kylo Ren did it. But we saw in Episode 7 that she is stronger than Ren in the force with the light saber in the snow. Now she had been trained by Luke for an undetermined amount of time. Yes, Snoak had her restrained, her body. I believe she was turning the saber and killed Snoak. As you saw, the saber went straight into her hand after.)


Luke isnt dead, he ascended into force like Yoda and Obi wan. Yoda isnt dead. Luke isnt dead. They are part of the Light. The Light doesnt die. Luke said this in the movie and you should know that.

Also, Luke was ready to die on the island already. He did something before he died. He trained Rey. And passed on the torch.


Rey is very strong.

Also, the code breaker guy saved Finn and Rose's lives. He asked them for payment, which was needed in that power box. If he hadnt "betrayed" them, they wouldnt have been in that part of the ship at that moment and could have been killed when the admiral lady blew up the ship.


edit: also, Kylo ren and Rey are obviously brother and sister. They showed the link in the force of Luke and Leia and how they could talk and feel with each other in the force. Ren and rey could do the same. I dont believe Ren had the heart to tell her he killed their father.
edit: #2 This was the best Star Wars movie ever.

[Mythe_Seraph]

Did anyone else have a problem with the fact that they were lobbing giant lasers at the rebellion cruiser? How do you get that arch in space

[AoE]

Also people keep bringing up that they wished that Finn or Rose sacrificed themselves to destroy the battering ram laser completely disregarding the fact that the laser blasting through the base gave everyone the opportunity to escape. If it got blown up, they would've all died because no one was coming to help them and the First Order wasn't gonna just leave when they had the Resistance pinned down. So technically Rose is a damned hero even if it wasn't intentional. Luke just bought them the time to all escape while making Kylo look like a complete dumbass in the process. He may not have went out the way everyone wanted to but he still went out like a G.

[Xno Kappa]

Rey killed snoak. (It doesnt seem likely because of the way it was shown to look like Kylo Ren did it. But we saw in Episode 7 that she is stronger than Ren in the force with the light saber in the snow. Now she had been trained by Luke for an undetermined amount of time. Yes, Snoak had her restrained, her body. I believe she was turning the saber and killed Snoak. As you saw, the saber went straight into her hand after.)


Luke isnt dead, he ascended into force like Yoda and Obi wan. Yoda isnt dead. Luke isnt dead. They are part of the Light. The Light doesnt die. Luke said this in the movie and you should know that.

Also, Luke was ready to die on the island already. He did something before he died. He trained Rey. And passed on the torch.


Rey is very strong.

Also, the code breaker guy saved Finn and Rose's lives. He asked them for payment, which was needed in that power box. If he hadnt "betrayed" them, they wouldnt have been in that part of the ship at that moment and could have been killed when the admiral lady blew up the ship.


edit: also, Kylo ren and Rey are obviously brother and sister. They showed the link in the force of Luke and Leia and how they could talk and feel with each other in the force. Ren and rey could do the same. I dont believe Ren had the heart to tell her he killed their father.
edit: #2 This was the best Star Wars movie ever.

da fuq!? lmao

[Clash Perez]

edit: also, Kylo ren and Rey are obviously brother and sister. They showed the link in the force of Luke and Leia and how they could talk and feel with each other in the force. Ren and rey could do the same. I dont believe Ren had the heart to tell her he killed their father.

While I think that this is still possible, the link as shown can be as easily explained away as misdirection. Later on, Snoke takes credit for creating the link between Rey/Ren which would remove the only solid 'evidence' if true.

[Dantrag]

Did anyone else have a problem with the fact that they were lobbing giant lasers at the rebellion cruiser? How do you get that arch in space

They were torpedoes, not lasers.

Rey killed snoak. (It doesnt seem likely because of the way it was shown to look like Kylo Ren did it. But we saw in Episode 7 that she is stronger than Ren in the force with the light saber in the snow. Now she had been trained by Luke for an undetermined amount of time. Yes, Snoak had her restrained, her body. I believe she was turning the saber and killed Snoak. As you saw, the saber went straight into her hand after.)


Luke isnt dead, he ascended into force like Yoda and Obi wan. Yoda isnt dead. Luke isnt dead. They are part of the Light. The Light doesnt die. Luke said this in the movie and you should know that.

Also, Luke was ready to die on the island already. He did something before he died. He trained Rey. And passed on the torch.


Rey is very strong.

Also, the code breaker guy saved Finn and Rose's lives. He asked them for payment, which was needed in that power box. If he hadnt "betrayed" them, they wouldnt have been in that part of the ship at that moment and could have been killed when the admiral lady blew up the ship.


edit: also, Kylo ren and Rey are obviously brother and sister. They showed the link in the force of Luke and Leia and how they could talk and feel with each other in the force. Ren and rey could do the same. I dont believe Ren had the heart to tell her he killed their father.
edit: #2 This was the best Star Wars movie ever.

So much fucking no in this post... Just...so...much. This is the fanfiction shit we're taking about.

[Clash Perez]

They were torpedoes, not lasers.

Still doesn't change the fact that they weren't anywhere near anything with a gravity well sufficient to require a curved trajectory for the torpedoes. Just suspend that disbelief willfully, friends.

[Dantrag]

Still doesn't change the fact that they weren't anywhere near anything with a gravity well sufficient to require a curved trajectory for the torpedoes. Just suspend that disbelief willfully, friends.

None of the cannons were at the front. They were top and bottom. They shoot at a trajectory instead of straight in a line like normal cannons. Their anti-ship cannons weren't in range.

[Gadritan]

I liked it. It was fun. Not really sure why people are looking for some crazy masterpiece of film.

The original trilogy was just a really fun sci-fi series focused on special fx with a sprinkle of story thrown in. The world seens to forgotten that.

@mebro

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[Gredival]

Rey killed snoak. (It doesnt seem likely because of the way it was shown to look like Kylo Ren did it. But we saw in Episode 7 that she is stronger than Ren in the force with the light saber in the snow. Now she had been trained by Luke for an undetermined amount of time. Yes, Snoak had her restrained, her body. I believe she was turning the saber and killed Snoak. As you saw, the saber went straight into her hand after.)

You do realize they specifically zoomed in on a shot of Kylo's hand behind his back twisting then went to a shot of the lightsaber turning to show it was Kylo moving the saber, right?

I don't even have the mental fortitude to address the abortion that is the rest of your post.

[Dantrag]

I also have thoughts on the casino scene and why it actually works a lot better then people give it credit for (albeit, the hacker was stupid as fuck, I'll admit). And I also think Rose falling in love with Finn also works in this movie.

It was too long. Them getting arrested for PARKING is fucking stupid. Rose falling in love with Finn is fine.

The latter being that in the span less then 20 hours, Rose experiences her sister dying, her friends dying, more of her friends/allies/people she admires potentially dying, and she goes on this damn near fail mission (which does fail terribly) that she's never done ANYTHING like before. Her emotional state for this entire movie had to be pretty fucked up despite how calm and composed she was. And even after they get back, she's trapped in a base, gets strapped into a piece of shit machine and is sent on a suicide mission. So this guy (Finn) who is revered as a hero among the rebels looks spicy as fuck to her and being on such an adrenaline high from all the shit that's been happening and could happen, of fucking course she'll latch onto the one guy who is being kind to her and staying by her side.

She's a fangirl, her falling in love with Finn is fine. Like you said, she's in an emotional spot etc etc. There's nothing wrong with that.

He falls in love with her (or it looks like it anyway) at the end because he's a child soldier who's been brainwashed from the time the First Order picked him up as a kid and has only had free thought for what? A week in total at this point? Like, take a moment to think about the time-span of both TFA and TLJ. Not a lot of time has passed. Like, 2 weeks max I would say. Rey and Luke probably occur over a week or so (them meeting happens directly at the end of TFA), and then this movie takes place over what? 20 hours that begin maybe a few days/week after TFA ends? So Finn is incredibly naive to everything pretty much and the casino scene was there to show that. I don't think it was some sort of "hey, here's a truth about the real world" for the audience so much as it was purely for Finn's character development. And when you look at it in that eye, that casino arc actually serves a big, better purpose. Between the two movies, outside of the first scene in TFA when he begins to snap out of his brain washing, this is the biggest eye-opening moment for him about the world and the hidden truths about it.

He did not kiss her back. He's taking care of her because she saved his life. I think she's friend zoned.

I think part of the issue is we have NO idea how long has taken place over the movie. But I think you're right that it's not over a very long period of time. How long does hyperspace travel last in SW? How long were they in it before the FO caught up "30 seconds" later?

I agree that the casino was about Finn's character development, it just dragged on too long and I still think could have been handled a bit better. And the double hackers that can hack into SNOKE'S PERSONAL ship, both just happen to be on the same planet... Anyways.

[Gredival]

Also I don't have a problem with Luke dying -- from a narrative perspective he pretty much has to in order for the story to progress for the main characters (same reason why Dumbledore had to die; if he's around you can't justify why the main cast has to deal with the big bad instead of him). It's just the way it happened kind of falls flat for me because the whole "Gotcha! See ya around kid" thing feels empty when he dies 20 seconds later anyway.

[Xno Kappa]

Yeah, let me be clear. I don't mind Luke dying at all. I just felt the lead up to it was weak as fuck and he deserved better.

[Dantrag]

Yeah, let me be clear. I don't mind Luke dying at all. I just felt the lead up to it was weak as fuck and he deserved better.

The more I think about it, it's actually fitting. Obiwan didn't even get hit by vaders sword, he just vanished as well to buy Luke and crew some time. Same thing that Luke did.