Actual YouTube/Twitch drama thread

[BaneTheBrawler]

Was talking with a buddy who streams and that's exactly what I think they'll do, long-term. Publishers will start adding "Twitch integration" to their games (read: DRM that prevents streaming on other platforms, or maybe just DMCAing any other platform) in exchange for a licensing fee from Twitch. If you try to stream a Twitch game on some other platform, you get DMCA'd or your game locks you out.

to wit: individual streamers don't have the money, unless they start forming channel networks like youtubers have. twitch does have money. that's who the publishers will go after.

[Krandor]

I assumed Stadia...when Jefe called him a Stadia dev.

Who owns Stadia?

He works for a studio bought up by Google last year.

He's very much biting the hand that feeds him which is why google put out your standard "his views do not reflect that of our company" and is probably gonna be looking for a new job soon.

As reddit has pointed out, he's responsible for this nugget back when he was working on Assassin's Creed 3

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...-subtle-racism

[Qalbert]

oh also he uses fanart as his twitter header with crediting the artist, lmao
https://twitter.com/rare_magpie/stat...83355411304449

[6souls]

oh also he uses fanart as his twitter header with crediting the artist, lmao
https://twitter.com/rare_magpie/stat...83355411304449

Not only that, it's fan art of a streamer.

https://twitter.com/Jack_Septic_Eye/...72114899030018

[synistar]

Twitch, the rapidly growing livestreaming platform, and its owner Amazon received a blistering letter on Thursday signed by multiple major U.S. music organizations including the RIAA, the Recording Academy, the National Music Publishers Association, the Music Managers Forum, the American Association of Independent Music, SAG-AFTRA and more than a dozen others over its lack of licensing deals with many major music rights-holders. The letter is addressed to Amazon founder/CEO Jeff Bezos, with Twitch CEO Emmet Shear on copy.

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1320731150969499648

lol at thinking deleting all the VoDs will sweep this under the rug.

[Jefe]

It took them this long, huh? On the one hand, you have companies like goog, youtube, bliptv, and biggest perpetrator/enabler of them all twitch who once they started to monetize views (back in what, 08?), clicks, ppc, ebegging, and literally everything, they've been banking a fuck ton. All of them, even streamers have been wetting their beaks, except RIAA. So I get it tbh, and somebody needs to tell these fuckers to chill the fuck down. Who knows, maybe it's the right time for gaming companies to tell youtube/twitch they want a piece of the pie too.

Anyway, RIAA also sent a letter to github about youtube-dl script:

Spoiler: show

October 23, 2020

GitHub

Dear Sir or Madam:

I am contacting you on behalf of the Recording Industry Association of America, Inc. (RIAA) and its member record companies. The RIAA is a trade association whose member companies create, manufacture or distribute sound recordings representing approximately eighty-five (85) percent of all legitimate recorded music consumption in the United States. Under penalty of perjury, we submit that the RIAA is authorized to act on behalf of its member companies on matters involving the infringement of their sound recordings, audiovisual works and images, including enforcing their copyrights and common law rights on the Internet.

Copyright Violations. We have learned that your service is hosting the youtube-dl source code on its network at the following locations, among others:

https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl
https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/tree/gh-pages
http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/
https://github.com/benkeung/youtube-dl
https://github.com/cyberjacob/youtube-dl
https://github.com/elaopinska/youtube-dl
[private]
https://github.com/huangciyin/youtube-dl
https://github.com/jckelley/youtube-dl
https://github.com/LouisPlisso/youtube-dl
https://github.com/ojauch/youtube-dl
https://github.com/rbrito/youtube-dl
https://github.com/successLee/youtube-dl
https://github.com/trammel/youtube-dl
https://github.com/vs9390/youtube-dl
https://github.com/zackfern/youtube-dl
https://github.com/tosuch/youtube-dl
https://github.com/pornophage/youtube-dl
https://github.com/tejaskhot/youtube-dl
https://github.com/VideoUtils/youtube-dl
https://github.com/798221028/youtube-dl

The above list includes a representative sample of the youtube-dl forks of the youtube-dl source code being hosted on GitHub. Based on our review of the representative sample noted above, we have a good faith belief that most of the youtube-dl forks are infringing to the same extent as the parent repository.

The clear purpose of this source code is to (i) circumvent the technological protection measures used by authorized streaming services such as YouTube, and (ii) reproduce and distribute music videos and sound recordings owned by our member companies without authorization for such use. We note that the source code is described on GitHub as “a command-line program to download videos from YouTube.com and a few more sites.”1

We also note that the source code prominently includes as sample uses of the source code the downloading of copies of our members’ copyrighted sound recordings and music videos, as noted in Exhibit A hereto. For example, as shown on Exhibit A, the source code expressly suggests its use to copy and/or distribute the following copyrighted works owned by our member companies:

• Icona Pop – I Love It (feat. Charli XCX) [Official Video], owned by Warner Music Group
• Justin Timberlake – Tunnel Vision (Explicit), owned by Sony Music Group
• Taylor Swift – Shake it Off, owned/exclusively licensed by Universal Music Group

The source code notes that the Icona Pop work identified above is under the YouTube Standard license, which expressly restricts access to copyrighted works only for streaming on YouTube and prohibits their further reproduction or distribution without consent of the copyright owner; that the Justin Timberlake work identified above is under an additional age protection identifier; and that the request for the Taylor Swift work identified above is to obtain, without authorization of the copyright owner or YouTube, an M4A audio file from the audiovisual work in question.

We have a good faith belief that this activity is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law. We assert that the information in this notification is accurate, based upon the data available to us.

Anticircumvention Violation. We also note that the provision or trafficking of the source code violates 17 USC §§1201(a)(2) and 1201(b)(1). The source code is a technology primarily designed or produced for the purpose of, and marketed for, circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to copyrighted sound recordings on YouTube, including copyrighted sound recordings owned by our members. For further context, please see the attached court decision from the Hamburg Regional Court that describes the technological measure at issue (known as YouTube’s “rolling cipher”), and the court’s determination that the technology employed by YouTube is an effective technical measure within the meaning of EU

1 See https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-...ADME.md#readme.

and German law, which is materially identical to Title 17 U.S.C. §1201 of the United States Code. The court further determined that the service at issue in that case unlawfully circumvented YouTube’s rolling cipher technical protection measure.2 The youtube-dl source code functions in a manner essentially identical to the service at issue in the Hamburg Regional Court decision. As there, the youtube-dl source code available on Github (which is the subject of this notice) circumvents YouTube’s rolling cipher to gain unauthorized access to copyrighted audio files, in violation of YouTube’s express terms of service,3 and in plain violation of Section 1201 of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. §1201.

Indeed, the comments in the youtube-dl source code make clear that the source code was designed and is marketed for the purpose of circumventing YouTube’s technological measures to enable unauthorized access to our member’s copyrighted works, and to make unauthorized copies and distributions thereof: they identify our member’s works, they note that the works are VEVO videos (virtually all of which are owned by our member companies), they acknowledge the those works are licensed to YouTube under the YouTube standard license, and they use those examples in the source code to describe how to obtain unauthorized access to copies of our members’ works.

In light of the above noted copyright infringements and anticircumvention violations, we ask that you immediately take down and disable access to the youtube-dl source code at all of its locations where it is hosted on GitHub, including without limitation those locations in the representative list set forth above.

This e-mail does not constitute a waiver of any right to recover damages incurred by virtue of any such unauthorized activities, and all such rights as well as claims for other relief are expressly reserved.

You may contact me at RIAA, [private] Tel. [private],
or email [private] to discuss this notice.

Sincerely,
[private]
[private]

[arus2001]

Maybe it's time the RIAA gets sodomized for a change.

[Corrderio]

So in theory could Twitch shut down a stream of a game if the game had copyright music? Like the radio in GTA, pretty much every track in THPS, etc?

[arus2001]

Probably, yeah. Right now the recordings just get muted at copyright parts or outright pulled. However, I imagine a live stream would only get pulled with a lot of reports drawing attention.

[Koyangi]

These people are just being assholes, it is incredibly dumb.

[synistar]

I think his own record label DMCA'ed his channel
https://twitter.com/HermanLi/status/1321081769454563328

[NynJa]

The comments though, amazing how no one understands its not Twitch's doing.

[6souls]

I think his own record label DMCA'ed his channel
https://twitter.com/HermanLi/status/1321081769454563328

https://www.dexerto.com/entertainmen...witch-1440500/

Neither Li nor Twitch have elaborated on why the ban has taken place. No matter the reason though, this news comes will come as a shock to both Li and his fans, especially when he addressed the Twitch ban situation directly on stream back in June, reassuring other streamers that using his band’s music would not result in a DMCA strike.

Li stated that: “We know all these crazy things are happening on Twitch, people getting banned, people getting taken down, DMCA, I can tell you, you can play any song from the latest DragonForce album, Extreme Power Metal, and you will not get a strike. I assure you, you will be ok. Because we are very good friends with our people from the record label, who also love Twitch, so you will not have a problem.”

[synistar]

It's the older albums that will get you slapped with a DMCA iirc. So it's probably some concert VoDs that got the DMCA playing their older content.

[6souls]

Alanah Pearce is leaving Rooster Teeth/Funhaus/Inside Gaming



Autumn Farrell had left Rooster Teeth/Inside Gaming earlier this month, but her transition to go started before the Kovic drama dropped.

[Qalbert]

https://twitter.com/zachbussey/statu...19554713006083

[TsingTao]

I saw the first ad one time yesterday, on a channel I'm not following. Anyone I followed or subbed to didn't hit me with those ads. Will just make sure to follow anyone I'm going to watch more than once, or get different adblockers. I'm sure it won't take people long to adapt.

[Qalbert]

not youtube/twitch but streaming entertainment related:
https://twitter.com/thefader/status/1323340529883643908

[Day]

how could they possibly pay any lower lol

[Day]

that reminded me of this clip