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    And the people who pushed this shit onto the doctors and lied about it?

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    Nah it's better to blame meteorologists than the companies swearing the coal they burn is clean.

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    Why'd you single out dentists from surgeons in general?

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    Forgetting for a moment that healthcare culture in the US has morphed patients into shoppers who move from doctor to doctor until we find one willing to give us the treatment we've decided that we need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Why'd you single out dentists from surgeons in general?
    Well, good question.

    Mostly because I'm not a big enough name to piss off surgeons but I'm of the opinion that they do overdo pain meds. I'm not at liberty to give examples but some very recent ones were on opioids post- procedure just because.

    They never even used them.

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    Naw, it was doctors in the late 90s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    Forgetting for a moment that healthcare culture in the US has morphed patients into shoppers who move from doctor to doctor until we find one willing to give us the treatment we've decided that we need.
    This is also true, but most states have tracking programs that allow you to look for polyscriptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Why'd you single out dentists from surgeons in general?
    Because everyone hates dentists so they're solid with the hook up to compensate.

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    I only hate dentists because dental insurance is fucking worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archibaldcrane View Post
    As a society we rejected something as relatively trivial as bias against people vis-a-vis water fountains, the argument for rejecting bias regarding something important is even stronger.

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    i've said several times what trump is trying to do in regards to healthcare + trans people is fucked.

    that being said, my entire point and why it's a garbage comparison is a water fountain doesn't care what race or orientation the person drinking from it is, while obviously a human receiving care from a physician doesn't share that luxury.

    Quote Originally Posted by kuronosan View Post
    Nah it's better to blame meteorologists than the companies swearing the coal they burn is clean.
    a meteorologist isn't an expert on the subject matter of burning coal, if a doctor is over prescribing opioids and doesn't know the harm they are causing they probably shouldn't be a doctor

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    I would be happy to explain why there are many things wrong with that presumption.

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    you can try if you'd like, but if a lamen like me knows that over prescribing opioids is bad, i would hope a medical expert would know what they are prescribing.

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    If you acknowledge that they are medical experts I think you have the intellect necessary to see why your statement is incredibly misguided.

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    You wouldn't know that though because you've demonstrably never picked up a book nor educated yourself on the matter. Let me guess, overweight housewife?
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    Out of curiosity, how well known was the addiction factor to opiods back in the 90s? Because if doctors knew and over prescribed it anyway, then yes they definitely take some of the blame.


    How much they knew will carry how much blame they deserve.

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    You wouldn't know that though because you've demonstrably never picked up a book nor educated yourself on the matter. Let me guess, overweight housewife?
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    If this is the case, then I don’t think I’d blame them as much, but still a little. We had a system set up for failure with offices not vetting this stuff properly. I don’t think that improved until the internet really took off. Even then we still have that to a lesser degree (generics vs main brands).

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    I don't know what it was like to practice in the 90s, but they didn't have UpToDate and when pharmaceuticals and reps are providing studies with blatently false and misleading data, it's hard to blame doctors. Finding the time in the pre-internet and database age to research randomized controlled trials, systematic reviews, and meta analyses was probably pretty hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ksandra View Post
    Out of curiosity, how well known was the addiction factor to opiods back in the 90s? Because if doctors knew and over prescribed it anyway, then yes they definitely take some of the blame.


    How much they knew will carry how much blame they deserve.
    Very well known. Well before we were a putting out white papers on the subject. We have known for centuries. The issue here was the narcs that were being pushed were being marketed as less addictive. So doctors were more prone to prescribe them as opposed to shit like morphine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuronosan View Post
    I only hate dentists because dental insurance is fucking worthless.
    Three days old. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2734067

    Tldr:. US dentists over prescribe the fuck out of opioids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyche View Post
    Very well known. Well before we were a putting out white papers on the subject. We have known for centuries. The issue here was the narcs that were being pushed were being marketed as less addictive. So doctors were more prone to prescribe them as opposed to shit like morphine.
    This.

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