GoT: Season 8-The Night is Dark and Full of S*@T I Can't See (Clearly Mark/Tag any book spoilers)

[Thunder]

oh no doubt, i hated it as well and literally the most important storyline to me was the WWs - stopped watching after ep4 where they didn't give us any closure on the WW questions (despite people here arguing after ep3, "just wait, they can still touch on it next ep!" - reminiscent of the "just wait until ep2, the first ep is just setting things up!")

but your post

UPLIFTING STARK MONTAGE

JON AND TORMUND AND GHOST VENTURE BEYOND THE WALL

LAST SCENE THEY COME ACROSS A FRESH SWIRLY OTHERS SYMBOL

CUT TO BLACK

and then the serious explanation thereafter,

for realsies tho the show was too dumb and rushed to explain any of it but the Azor Ahai prophecy and the reason the Wall was built in the first place was because of the Long Night that occurred during the Age of Heroes (the alleged setting for incoming Naomi Watts spinoff). it's happening again during this timeline but the whole reason Nan has these stories and parents tell their kids the others will take them and the prophecies exist and Sam can read ancient books about how to kill them is because all this happened before (and will happen again). Martin set up Long Nights and White Walker invasions as a cyclical apocalyptic event rather than one good Arya stab and done. if there had been the slightest thought put into it bros just could've said yo they might come back rebuild the Watch and not yo rapists need a place to chill.

made it seem like you thought they could add the WWs as a cliffhanger at the end of the last ep and it be OK. Thought either you or i was missing/misremembering something about ww lore in the show

upon rereading i see that i misunderstood your comparison and thought you were saying "it shouldn't be finished [despite arya stabbing the NK]" when you were really saying "arya shouldn't have been able to finish it"

[Andalusian girls]

even within the show's dumbed down logic it would have been the easiest thing in the world to say the Children of the Forest did the dagger stabby thing to two dudes

bam

second (third) night king

[Andalusian girls]

the night king that studied abroad in Essos while his older brother ran the family business comes home when they fall on hard times

[Cichy]

To be fair, Azor Ahai is a prophecy from the followers of Rhlorr. It seems to be a myth maybe created by the people to give each other hope in the dark days just like we create heroes. In the books you have mentions of Hyrkoon the Hero, Yin Tar, Neferion, and Eldric Shadowchaser who all sound like Azor Ahai just in different parts of the world. ASoIAF doesn't have any type of benevolent deity looking out for the good of the world and it would be much more of a Martin style to have a random person grow into legend after being there at the right time and being instrumental in defeating the others. A chosen one is just not something what's going to happen, he doesn't do that. But that's also if others ever really get defeated, Long Night ended with a pact not a win. Cycle repeats and further away we get from the event legends and stories grow.
Personally I think prophecy of Azor Ahai is recipe for valyrain steel.

[Rhyis.]

about the cyclical nature: isn't "this timeline"'s night king the original white walker created by the children of the forest? so, if arya stabs him and it destroys every white walker the night king created (we're to assume from the human babies) AND every wight created then isn't it kind of over?

the nk was created in the first place. i always assumed jon was going to be created into the next nk

[Ksandra]

for realsos the show was too dumb and rushed to explain any of it but the Azor Ahai prophecy and the reason the Wall was built in the first place was because of the Long Night that occurred during the Age of Heroes (the alleged setting for incoming Naomi Watts spinoff). it's happening again during this timeline but the whole reason Nan has stories of them and parents tell their kids the Others will take them and the prophecies exist and Sam can read ancient books about how to kill them is because all this happened before (and will happen again). Martin set up Long Nights and White Walker invasions as a cyclical apocalyptic event rather than one good Arya stab and done. if there had been the slightest thought put into it bros just could've said yo they might come back rebuild the Watch and not yo rapists need a place to chill.

Yeah, this is one I can't really complain about.

I mean the last time it happened was so long ago they didn't even remember it, yet still kept sending people to the wall for wildings and "tradition."


It kinda further proves; however, that nothing fucking changed in Westeros and Bran broke no wheels.

[Serra]

Dungeons?

Like, wtf are they doing at the wall? I'm just going to keep pretending it was a ruse to set Jon free and no one is actually manning pointless castles lol

Bastards too, Lords need a place to send their bastards.

[Koul]

I wonder if they dropped off the cyclical nature of the WW's because the whole "there must always be a lich king" type of thing wasn't subverting enough expectations

[Rhyis.]

the warcraft universe has made about a gazillion dollars so i feel like one should subvert into making fucking bank if thats the path to success

[Athas]

EW interview with series writer Dave Hill revealed that original plans had Jorah Mormont surviving to the end, and being exiled to The Wall along with Jon. They wanted to have Jon/Jorah/Tormund mirror the opening scene of the series with the three Night’s Watch guys. But, working backwards from that scene, they couldn’t reconcile how Jorah would be okay with Dany going crazy and destroying King’s Landing, or with Jon killing her. So they decided him having a heroic death at Winterfell would be better for his character and also be another trigger for Dany’s descent to Mad Queen territory.

This is probably one of the main problems with these writers. They decide what big moment they want to end on and just hack together a bunch of scenes to get there not caring how.

[Krandor]

They didn't decide what to end on for most of the cast tho, GRRM did years ago.

[Tyrath]

The problem is how they got there like he said.

[Krandor]

Right, but we can't entirely blame D&D despite the entertainment value of the memes. GRRM has obviously also been working backwards to how the story will end up, and given how long everyone has been waiting, he has no idea how to get there either.

[thetruepandagod]

Right, but we can't entirely blame D&D despite the entertainment value of the memes. GRRM has obviously also been working backwards to how the story will end up, and given how long everyone has been waiting, he has no idea how to get there either.

60 pages, he want's to move on to other stories.

[fantasticdan]

They didn't decide what to end on for most of the cast tho, GRRM did years ago.

IDK how true that is when you consider how many more characters and plotlines there are in the books. Much of what we saw happen in the show probably happens to (or as a result of) book only characters, and even if many of the events are similar, they could happen under very different circumstances. For example, judging by the presence of the golden company (and those anti-dragon ballistas that are originally from Dorne), it could be fAegon with Arienne that is ruling king's landing towards the end instead of Cersei. The drama about Jon vs Dany's claim could instead be about Dany vs fAegon. Edric Storm is probably given storms end, not Gendry. etc

[Vaspinne]

They had a 'behind the scenes' 'making of' documentary of season 8 air tonight. Really great look at just how much effort and work went into the season (despite how shit it was)

[Eurell]

The surprise star of the documentary was that unnamed bearded soldier lol. Fucker was everywhere

[Meresgi]

They had a 'behind the scenes' 'making of' documentary of season 8 air tonight. Really great look at just how much effort and work went into the season (despite how shit it was)

The clips of the actor for Varys were pretty hilarious, he was just NOT happy. Also the cut to them all clapping while D&D looked on like "Yeah we know we're amazing writers!"

Kudos to the actors/designers and literally everyone else other then D&D for this season, everything was amazing sans the writing.

[Vaspinne]

Yeah, the moment when they read his death and he just closed his script and tossed it into the middle of the table did not read well on camera lol

And when the producer was reading the notes in the script like "this battle is bigger then X and X and X combined" or "his wounds are like X and X but way worse" or whatever was written, just so fucking cringey

[Mythe_Seraph]

The bearded dude was the star of the documentary for sure. Dude kills. And now he does tours or something? Definitely a feel good story for that guy.