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    I didn't say MG was the whole kit, I said it completed the whole kit. I specifically called MG a tool.

    BRD was shit and losing an entire GEO spell to haste was wasteful, BLU could walk in and cover that on their own just fine while loading out self-SC (or SCing with each other) on a WS that solidly hit for 20-25k in all content. Your response is "I didn't get invited to stuff, so not OP." The only people who don't consider BLU to have been OP at that time are people known almost exclusively for playing BLU, gee, I wonder why that is.

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    imagine still talking about this

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    The BLU's are both salty and in denial about how they were OP and how SE responded to it. I agree with them that it's overboard now, but they're being idiots for trying to say they were never OP. COR's and SMN's know they're OP atm, at least they'll admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanriel View Post
    I didn't say MG was the whole kit, I said it completed the whole kit. I specifically called MG a tool.

    BRD was shit and losing an entire GEO spell to haste was wasteful, BLU could walk in and cover that on their own just fine while loading out self-SC (or SCing with each other) on a WS that solidly hit for 20-25k in all content. Your response is "I didn't get invited to stuff, so not OP." The only people who don't consider BLU to have been OP at that time are people known almost exclusively for playing BLU, gee, I wonder why that is.
    Because they likely understood the job better than you.

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    You don't need to have a 100% perfect understanding of a job to judge its impact on the rest of the community. I don't know much about SMN, I still know it's OP and broken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanriel View Post
    You don't need to have a 100% perfect understanding of a job to judge its impact on the rest of the community. I don't know much about SMN, I still know it's OP and broken.
    Two different jobs, moot point.

    I was just insinuating your understanding wasn't good enough.
    Regardless, the burden of proof still hasn't been met.

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    I think the fact that BLU has been soft nerfed for the last few years means the burden of proof has been met. But keep being you, Spicy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanriel View Post
    I think the fact that BLU has been soft nerfed for the last few years means the burden of proof has been met. But keep being you, Spicy.
    You just said something stupid again, but that is okay. My expectations were low. The last sentence there certainly met them. Such dank classiness could only be described as "to be expected".

    Perhaps you need clarification on what proof actually is or how to keep the framing of your opinion remotely sensible. Thus far you haven't demonstrated that you do. It likely won't be worthwhile to even read let alone discuss your take. That is if you could even present it accurately.

    BLU was not OP then and it certainly is not OP now.

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    I think a big part of "BLU IS OP!" thing has to be brought down to the community. It's no coincidence, most of the time it's like that. People playin this game tend to exxagerate (or simplify?) things in a dichotomic way.
    Things are either OP or they suck, you hardly find people talking about shades of gray, it's always a matter of extremes one way or another and never the infinite levels in between those extremes.
    And that's how differences which are actually not really that huge suddely become "OMG! Like night and day!"
    People always look for the simplest way to do things, once a way that's efficient is found, people tend to follow and reiterate that, instead of tryin different ways which could be pretty much equally efficient if not even better.


    With that said, I think it's undeniable there has been a window of time where BLU could truly shine. Lowmen pts they could truly take advantage of their pros.
    Think about being able to ride Cocoon+Berserk, then add Nat's meditation and a Def down like that from Tenebral Crush.
    Add to that a very good WS that SCs with itself and can be spammed (CDC), the possibility to stun monsters (Sudden lunge), to remove their debuffs in AoE (Winds of promy or more), to sleep (light or dark!) monsters AoE, to dispel (light or dark!) monsters, to heal themselves in a very mp efficient way (magic fruit or others), to boost their defense for specific fights (barrier tusk, cocoon, Saline Coat), to refresh themselves (Battery charge) and, last but not least, to keep their magic haste capped (Erratic Flutter + Mighty guard, which also provides regen and MDB) and you have it.
    With such an incredibly nice synergy you could afford to use less party slots for buffers, to use their buffs for other purposes (fury/frailty, entrust whatever else) since they didn't really need haste or acc, gaining new pt slots for more BLUs rotating AoE buffs and doing more damage.
    Blah blah blah.
    These are the situations where BLU was "OP" (air quotes due), and people around these communities seem to tend to prefer lowmen content (less people to handle, easier/faster to get items for everyone, more gil if you're splitting, etc).
    After all there hardly have been a lot of large scale content over the last few years.
    It's in that type of content that BLU's "OPness" became meh. Once PT slots aren't "limited" to 6 max and you can afford to have multiple buffers to truly empower any sort of DDs, then all of the BLU's many advantages suddely become sorta irrelevant if you ask me.
    It's just that this game over the last few years didn't really see a lot of that sort of content, so it's no surprise BLU was under the spotlight.

    So well, if on one hand it's clear it was the same old situation of people being sheeps and exagerating (like I mentioned before), on the other hand it's also undeniable that BLU truly made a difference in all those lowmen situations.
    I don't think the problem has the same scale of other "Job is OP!" we've seen throughout these 16+ years of FFXI history, but then again we can't really dismiss it like it was nothing special, because imo in that window of time BLU was really nice.
    If you ask me BLU is still incredibly nice for that sort of content, it's just less evident nowadays because of how the game subtly changed, one small step after another.
    BLU hardly received anything cool for a long time, whereas other jobs have been directly or indirectly buffed aplenty since then.

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    The BRD buff is actually the biggest part to hurting BLU's because you can now more easily get to haste cap on any melee, and honor march and minuet gives a high base attack to then play well with fury/frailty. So BRD buff combined with a GEO largely attack and haste caps a group, and then gear acc caps. This essentially removes the OP nature that BLU had at the time. Then they tacked on no new good gear for BLU and it fell behind a little in damage(rather, it didn't go up as much as others), and the general community isn't going to care about the massive side benefits of having a good BLU around and so the job fell out of common usage. But it's undeniable that from around the time MG, or at the latest 1200 JP gift, until the BRD buff, that BLU was the king of the game. Aside from Reisen t4's, BLU was the king of all other content out there.

    The biggest issue with BLU's being OP at the time, is if you brought one BLU, it's better to just bring a 2nd BLU so they can cycle MG, then you don't need to find a BRD for haste cap, so you can't haste cap any other DD, thus no other DD is going to keep up, so...bring another BLU. The job was exclusionary because of how it worked (hilarious now seeing how they implemented BLU in XIV, actually) and didn't play well with other DD's in the context of the game at the time. I would run COR during this time and I never got to be haste capped, and it sucked. But then I had 3 BLU's decimating shit for me so I guess it didn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanriel View Post
    The BRD buff is actually the biggest part
    Biggest part I dunno, one of the key parts for sure.
    Together with the multiple eva nerfs they did to monsters.
    Then you have additional gear with lots of nice stats (acc, mostly) and buffs to specific jobs, weapons, WSs, blahblah.
    All of these changes one after another slowly made the "objective" differences between BLU and other DDs less and less relevant, meanwhile the "mentality" of players slowly started to change and we get back to my initial point, people being sheeps etc.
    People finally started realizing you didn't really need to go BLU or naft to clear content, and that's it.

    I still think BLU has several pros over other DDs when you're in extremely small groups. It's just that such difference is much less relevant nowadays than it used to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sechs View Post
    I still think BLU has several pros over other DDs when you're in extremely small groups. It's just that such difference is much less relevant nowadays than it used to be.
    BLU very much still has a niche. But the general community doesn't care about niche, they care about power. Which is why they were BLU crazy for the late Adoulin / Escha era of content, as they were the most powerful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanriel View Post
    The BRD buff is actually the biggest part to hurting BLU's because you can now more easily get to haste cap on any melee, and honor march and minuet gives a high base attack to then play well with fury/frailty. So BRD buff combined with a GEO largely attack and haste caps a group, and then gear acc caps. This essentially removes the OP nature that BLU had at the time. Then they tacked on no new good gear for BLU and it fell behind a little in damage(rather, it didn't go up as much as others), and the general community isn't going to care about the massive side benefits of having a good BLU around and so the job fell out of common usage. But it's undeniable that from around the time MG, or at the latest 1200 JP gift, until the BRD buff, that BLU was the king of the game. Aside from Reisen t4's, BLU was the king of all other content out there.

    The biggest issue with BLU's being OP at the time, is if you brought one BLU, it's better to just bring a 2nd BLU so they can cycle MG, then you don't need to find a BRD for haste cap, so you can't haste cap any other DD, thus no other DD is going to keep up, so...bring another BLU. The job was exclusionary because of how it worked (hilarious now seeing how they implemented BLU in XIV, actually) and didn't play well with other DD's in the context of the game at the time. I would run COR during this time and I never got to be haste capped, and it sucked. But then I had 3 BLU's decimating shit for me so I guess it didn't matter.
    Your telling of history there is just comical. Not only does it omit BST and BLM, but BRD's big update and the fact it has honor march didn't "kill BLU". BRD being far more scarce for cookie cutter PUGs than BLU (thus significantly increasing it's appeal for things like SR) didn't make it OP either.
    You might as well claim BLU was OP because it was able to get better accuracy from traits and weaker light armor than the 2H heavy DDs before SE nerfed evasion twice over and buffed BRD.

    You know what "killed" the metaphorical and make believe BLU you are framing? Several things, and all of which lead back to one truth. BLU was over-hyped and over-emphasized. It was never as good as everyone made it out to be.
    So each time they adjusted things in game it chipped away at that myth.

    • Two evasion nerfs allowing for stronger DDs to face stomp? Check.
    • BRD buff which further boosted those actually stronger DDs? Check.
    • The weakening of AoE moves past the primary target and decrease in offensive power from endgame mobs allowing those BETTER DDS to survive? Check.
    • GEO langour nerfed? Check.
    • SMN burns now being more viable thanks to the aforementioned? Check
    • New gear for already stronger jobs increasing the gap between BLU further? Check
    • The lack of need for BLUs overhyped utility (E.g. BRD > MG for real content, not fucking Sinister Reign). Check
    • The community moving on to the next bandwagons like SMN or pDIF capped Lionheart RUNs? Super check.

    So, lets get it right. Players were literally whining about cocoon being part of the reason "BLU WAS OP!" Which anyone looking objectively at the claims can see is ignorant.
    Even MG is not OP. Look how irrelevant it is towards overall strategies. It is certainly useful, but it is far from the end all be all just because it makes for quicker and easy to build shout SR groups or a few Ambuscades. There is much more to the game that that.
    People perpetuate their own myths, and "BLU IS BEST OP WAIFU" became just another echo in the chamber.
    The majority of users on this game to this day are rather ignorant and just employ a strategy of parroting the few gate keepers or one of the many ignoramuses online. While the community simply sticks to it's play style mantra of "monkey see, monkey do".

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanriel View Post
    Aside from Reisen t4's, BLU was the king of all other content out there.
    Amongst your incorrect tales of history this one especially stands out.

    Who could forget all those mid 2015 to mid/late 2016 runs for Ru'Aun T3s/Kirin/WoC and Reisenjima T3s? Where those linkshells and shouts that wanted BLU because it was the "king".
    Oh wait, that garbage never fucking happened. Even for the easier things like Pakecet.

    When I posted a video BLU and DNC taking out Neak via melee in ~2 minutes at the end of May 2016. That was exceptional because by far and away the majority was using BLM for it. As well as for all of that content, and it was far more efficient than any other setup since evasion had yet to be nerfed to where it is now.

    It took temp items, solid/top gear (including for the RDM), a RDM (who even really used RDM in 2016 for anything besides for silencing WoC?), a bolstered Idris GEO, an outside GEO for torpor, and a soul voiced bard to even be able to do that without getting bogged down. Frankly it also took a DNC too for quick/box step to smooth out the edges.
    After all that the DNC won the parse too, and that was not uncommon to see at that time. It may be news to you though since your barometer for how strong a job is on another fucking planet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanriel View Post
    BLU very much still has a niche. But the general community doesn't care about niche, they care about power. Which is why they were BLU crazy for the late Adoulin / Escha era of content, as they were the most powerful.
    Oh, it is so sad how untrue this is. As well as how much context that moronic claim lacks.

    TL;DR Kanriel can't see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch.

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    Ownage so bad he must be a BLU.

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    sounds like BLU was OP to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dotsudoku View Post
    imagine still talking about this
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    June 2019 Version Update

    Quote Originally Posted by Day View Post
    sounds like BLU was OP to me
    I missed the gravy train.

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    Why are CORs doing crazy damage with savage blade and leadan salute? Why are SMNs so brain dead with 30k+ damage BPs easily even with the gimpest of gears?

    NERF!

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    It’s dumb as shit my 85+ mil in gear BLU barely outparses a day 2 SMN lol.

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