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    U.S. Border Crisis: No, You Can't Go Back

    This is now bigger than the Trump thread.

    Migrants Sent Away from U.S. Border are Being Dumped in Various Mexican Cities Without Support
    The Associated Press witnessed several such busloads in recent days carrying at least 450 Hondurans, Guatemalans and Salvadorans from Nuevo Laredo, across from Laredo, Texas, to Monterrey, where they are left to fend for themselves with no support on housing, work or schooling for children, who appear to make up about half the group.

    Mexico has received some 20,000 asylum seekers returned to await U.S. immigration court dates under the program colloquially known as “remain in Mexico.” But there had been no sign of such large-scale moving of people away from the border before now, after the program expanded to Nuevo Laredo in violence- and cartel-plagued Tamaulipas, a state where the U.S. State Department warns against all travel due to kidnappings and other crime.

    “It’s clearly important to move people out of very dangerous Mexican border towns,” said Maureen Meyer, an immigration expert at the Washington Office on Latin America, which advocates for human rights in the region. “But simply busing them somewhere else without any guidance on what’s awaiting them and without having the services available to house asylum seekers and support them, the Mexican government’s really exposing them to further risk.”

    This account is based on in-person interviews with more than 20 migrants who made the two-hour, 130-mile (220-kilometer) journey south to the industrial city in the week since the new practice began.

    Unlike asylum seekers who wait in line for months to file claims in the U.S. and are then sent back, all those taken to Monterrey who spoke with the AP said they had crossed illegally and spent several days in U.S. detention centers before being returned with a court date. Some said they had not asked for asylum but rather to be returned to their home countries, but were told that going to Mexico or continued detention were the only options.

    U.S. authorities, those interviewed agreed, told them Mexico would offer them work, schooling and health care while they waited. The U.S. Department of Homeland Security did not respond to requests for comment.

    The returnees were met at the crossing by waiting Mexican immigration officials who handed them documents presumably allowing them to work and move about the country. Without further explanation they were then loaded at an immigration station parking lot onto buses with the logos of private companies with charter contracts with the INM.

    The migrants were not forced to make the journey but said they didn’t see any other option. They know the dangers in Tamaulipas, where organized crime groups have been known to extort, kidnap and kill people like them. In 2010, 72 were massacred in the town of San Fernando.

    In Monterrey they found a big, unfamiliar city where, unbeknownst to them, shelters were already overflowing, and it quickly became clear they’d have to make do as best as they could.

    José Martín Carmona, head of Tamaulipas’ governmental Institute for Migrants, acknowledged that the state had refused to receive more migrants, saying it lacks resources.

    But he said he was unaware of the buses to Monterrey, even though they depart less than a mile (kilometer) from his offices: “Right now we have zero communication with the INM,” Carmona said.

    Those arriving in Monterrey feel like they’ve been lied to and abandoned by everyone — except, some said, by their coyotes who held up their end of the bargain.

    The Mexican government says it is studying setting up makeshift shelters at warehouses and other properties to handle returnees to Nuevo Laredo. Meanwhile “remain in Mexico” has gone into effect for another Tamaulipas border city: Matamoros, across from Brownsville, Texas.

    Meyer said the busing policy also raises concerns about how asylum seekers will be able to access U.S. lawyers to assist with their claims, and who is going to make sure they can get back to Nuevo Laredo for their U.S. appointments, which are for September and October.
    https://apnews.com/997436eb7cac4c5bab62c0b838941e3d

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    An American Citizen from Dallas lost 26 pounds and was denied showers and slept on the concrete floor before finally getting released after being held for 3 weeks despite his family providing a birth certificate and ID.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/18-year...self-deported/

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    look Fiye that could have happened to anyone with a state ID social security card and copy of their birth certificate

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    Shits pretty bad if you gotta carry around a card sized birth certificate with you everywhere just in case.

    Also it doesn't help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiye View Post
    An American Citizen from Dallas lost 26 pounds and was denied showers and slept on the concrete floor before finally getting released after being held for 3 weeks despite his family providing a birth certificate and ID.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/18-year...self-deported/
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49092606

    ICE detained 1,480 US citizens in 2018.

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    You wouldn't know that though because you've demonstrably never picked up a book nor educated yourself on the matter. Let me guess, overweight housewife?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyiee View Post
    Shits pretty bad if you gotta carry around a card sized birth certificate with you everywhere just in case.

    Also it doesn't help.
    Random factoid: Not every state has these. I used to keep mine in my wallet (stupid, I know, I was a young adult), since CT makes wallet sized one. Moved to CA, and anytime I needed it for w/e reason people didn't believe it was real. I had to order a full sized one.

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    https://www.apnews.com/47c9799c15e64e64848cff1a7dca92be

    16 marines arrested in California for human smuggling and drug-related offenses. The arrests were from information provided after an arrest of two other marines for smuggling migrants into the U.S. are asking for payment upon arrival.

    None of the Marines were involved in helping to enforce border security, the Marine Corps said in a news release. Officials could not be immediately reached for comment.

    The arrests come only weeks after two Marines were arrested near the border by a Border Patrol agent. The two Marines were accused of smuggling three Mexicans into the United States.

    The Marine Corps said information gained from those arrests led to Thursday’s arrests.

    Another eight are being questioned about their alleged involvement in drug offenses as part of a separate investigation.

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    I got an email this morning from the state's social security office urging me to order a replacement card if I can't readily access mine.

    My white ass isn't getting deported any time soon, but if this is the direction we're trending, wow.

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    The Answer to "OBAMA DID IT TOO"

    For reference this is the answer to "OBAMA DID IT TOO" that has never been answered in the Trump thread

    According to the DHS' own statistics there are 13,000~ "separated" children.

    About 10,500-11,000 of those children are truly unaccompanied minors, meaning they showed up at the border without their parents. Generally speaking these are children who are 10 to 17 years old and have some kind of family here that they're looking to connect with when they arrive (i.e. they were sneaking over the border to go to connect with these people and got caught).

    The Obama era policy was to "detain" these children, but after they are processed (with a court date for their deportation or asylum hearing) they could be released to a guardian on our side (or they could just go back over the border).

    The other ~2,500 children are those that came with a parent. These children were rendered unaccompanied by virtue of the *NEW* Trump administration family separation policy, which is subsequent to the new zero-tolerance policy ordered by Jeff Sessions.

    Because Obama's administration did not have a zero-tolerance policy, or a separation policy, these types of cases flat out did not exist during his administration. In fact, Bush 43 instituted a similar zero-tolerance policy in 2005, but he had the foresight to GIVE AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION for these cases in order to avoid forced separation of children.

    Now in addition to the needlessly inhumane policy of separation, there is no system of tracking them along with their parent so that they can be reunified later. This means the kids will be orphaned because there is no way to reunite them with their parents after whatever legal processing occurs, whether they are granted asylum or deported back. It's particularly an issue because some children are being physically relocated to other facilities and not just kept in facilities close to wherever they are split from their parents.

    Trump has artificially increased the burden on the government by creating thousands of additional unaccompanied minors through their bone-headed policy. They are doing this because (a) they think it will deter others from coming (not been reflected in the numbers since the policy went into effect), (b) they want to punish border hoppers (something that is reflected by the stories of abuse regarding border patrol agents and those who support them), and (c) Trump can blame the other side for not working with him by saying the problem that he created, and can fix by himself, requires the Democrats to cooperate by severely decreasing asylum claims and other legal immigration and giving him funding for the wall in exchange for the repeal of his separation policies.

    The Trump administration literally created orphans. No hyperbole. Then Trump then said it's not his job to reconnect them and has even suggested it's up to the ACLU to clean up his mess.

    There are literally zero instances of that happening with Obama or Bush because the only children that were ever detained were ones who came unaccompanied and were *already* separated, and neither of those administrations had a policy of separating kids from their parents

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    why do you love the cartels so much

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    A lot of problems with discussion about the border crisis is that we conflate refugees (persons displaced from primarily Syria and Yemen that are supposed to be relocated here as part of our humanitarian obligations) with the asylum seekers (persons fleeing the Northern Triangle and migrating north to the US/Mexico border seeking to be granted asylum status).

    Refugees are usually displaced by discrete events (conflicts or natural disasters) whereas asylum seekers are fleeing because they are targets for violence. Refugee status is, legally speaking, temporary until the crisis is abated. Comparatively asylum status is indefinite, though it can be voided if the threat to the asylee is gone (for example if the asylee is a political dissident and the government is overthrown).

    This is why asylees have to go through a court process wherein they have to attest to a specific threat to them (or that they are a member of a "particular social group" which is targeted). Comparatively refugees are handled through international channels and relocated to host countries by NGOs and international agencies who have boots on the ground at crisis sites.

    The claim that terrorists are using asylum claims to sneak in is disingenuous because it 1) plays on this confusion thinking that Middle Eastern terrorists are going to sneak in through the asylum process and 2) plays on the misunderstanding that asylees can just walk pass the border claiming asylum.

    Trump's administration has tried a few ways to kill off asylum (in addition to disincentivizing people from coming by taking their kids, putting them in baby jails, and keeping asylum seekers in internment camps). The first was Jeff Sessions changing DoJ policy to view gang violence and domestic violence (the two main dangers people from the Northern Triangle are fleeing) as "private" violence which would make them ineligible for asylum protections.

    In 2014 the US started recognizing domestic violence for asylum claims. Asylees fleeing generalized gang violence in the Northern Triangle have always had difficulty winning claims (in truth they probably do not actually qualify for asylum because it's unclear how they are targeted, but the violence is likely problematic enough that they should qualify as refugees).

    More recently Trump is trying to make it so that you can't claim asylum unless you come directly to the US (therefore people who cross through Mexico aren't eligible).

    Why should we care about what is happening in "shithole countries"? Because when countries that can do so refuse to accept refugees it causes a spiraling problem. Mass exile is an international issue that must be solved by the international community with every country bearing part of the burden. That is what it means to be part of the international community. This isn't a trade deal where the criteria for participation is "Do I win / Do we both win?"

    This is ESPECIALLY true when we sell arms to one side of the conflict which is causing the refugee crisis. The Yemeni government is supported by Saudi Arabia, who is still the largest buyer of U.S. foreign military sales despite taking a bonesaw to a U.S. based journalist. Because Trump doesn't believe the CIA or FBI.

    And for asylees, even if they would ultimately be denied a claim (denial rates for the Northern Triangle countries are in the mid 70s to low 80s), we have an obligation under the rule of law to properly process these people and to treat them humanely. Ironically, doing the first (instead of putting them in internment camps) usually means we don't have an uphill fight when it comes to doing the second.

    But right now we are keeping them longer than legally permitted in conditions that the DHS' own inspector-general found to be in gross violation of humane.

    DHS' OWN inspector-general criticized the conditions in an OFFICIAL DHS Report on the Rio Grande Valley Center:

    - "Children at three of the five Border Patrol facilities we visited had no access to showers ... [and] limited access to a change of clothes."

    - "We observed that two facilities had not provided children access to hot meals … until the week we arrived."

    - "[A]t one facility, some single adults were held in standing-room- only conditions for a week."

    - "Most single adults had not had a shower in CBP custody despite several being held for as long as a month."

    Also keep in mind that our traditional legal immigration process (green cards) is incredibly flawed. We accept far less people than it should, even if you isolate just for "desirable" immigrants. This goes back to how the U.S. used to basically have open borders and we let most everyone as long as they went through the entry process before white people got angry about all the immigrants. Ironically the people they were trying to exclude? The model minority Asians. White farmers were mad that Asians who used to work on their farms were starting to save up enough money to start their own farms rather than to be cheap laborers for the white-owned farms. Thus the Chinese Exclusion Act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalusian girls View Post
    why do you love the cartels so much

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    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/0...y-did-it-again

    ICE is now breaking car windows to apprehend illegals. Advocates say that some people are getting confused about knowing their rights when facing arrest. It's legal to not answer the door or ask for a warrant at home, but if in a vehicle while being arrested, the door must be opened.

    Maria Elena Gutierrez, an organizer with Asamblea de Derechos Civiles, who regularly teaches immigrants about their legal rights, said they’re advising people not to answer their door at home unless there’s a warrant. But she said if the person is inside a vehicle on a public street, the same advice doesn’t apply.

    “I’m not telling people, ‘Don’t open your car door,’” she said. “Because the police [can] open the door when you are under arrest.”

    But she understands why some immigrants who are at risk of deportation may be confused. She said some have been seeking advice from videos online, which don’t allow them to ask follow-up questions like they do during in-person presentations.

    She believes ICE officers are having a difficult time getting into homes and private spaces, where people are asking to see a warrant and refusing to answer the door.

    A recent immigration enforcement operation targeting about 2,100 people resulted in just 35 total arrests, according to the Associated Press.
    A couple days ago in KC, MO, ICE had arrested an illegal by busting out the driver's side window and were assisted by KC police. In the newest incident in Minneapolis, MN, the Minneapolis police were not present nor notified of the arrest.

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    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/julia...shpmg00000004&

    9 year old citizen apprehended by ICE on way to school, detained for 32 hours. Had a passport card and border patrol said she didn't look like her photo.

    Her 14 year brother who was with her was told to sign a confession that he was trafficking his cousin over the border using his sister's documentation.

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    i was just coming here to post that.

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    Man if I were the parents I would sue the royal fuck out of them. Fuck that shit.

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    I wish it was easier to keep track of stories like that, I really want to know what, if any, repercussions those officers will face.

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    Sure is "I was born in East LA" lately. I haven't heard any stories about other races getting falsely imprisoned. Wierd

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    I think it's worth repeating that literally no white citizens have been falsely detained.

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    They suffer enough already, what with all those jobs that have been taken. Time to punish some brown people!

    Seriously though, this is a new high in lows. I can't imagine having this happen to one of my children...I'd lose my shit.

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