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    Quote Originally Posted by Drai View Post
    Doesn't your countries Congress have the sole authority to declare War? If these actions of Trumps leads to a war are there consequences for essentially bypassing Congressional authority? Or is this just more frowned on since the President has full military control?
    https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts...sodes/60-words

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drai View Post
    Doesn't your countries Congress have the sole authority to declare War? If these actions of Trumps leads to a war are there consequences for essentially bypassing Congressional authority? Or is this just more frowned on since the President has full military control?
    Nominally yes, but they have delegated basically all of their responsibilities to the executive branch (presidency) since the rise of mass media, war powers included. However, the president has always had the responsibility to defend the US. It wasn't until Truman dropped the A-bombs that Congress decided to insert itself into national defense arguments. They have since backed away. Given that Trump doesn't claim we are at war, I don't know if there is a ton of historical grounds to reprimand him.

    Realistically there would be no consequences, no.

    Civilian control over the military and a division between the administrative and legislative roles are supposed to be the major brakes.

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    Ahh I gotcha, thanks for the replies, I kept thinking it might be similar to 9/11 but wasn't sure since one was a direct attack on American Homeland soil and the other was in response to attacks abroad.

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    You wouldn't know that though because you've demonstrably never picked up a book nor educated yourself on the matter. Let me guess, overweight housewife?
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    So in other news: There is a theory going around about Pelosi and the impeachment filing that scarily makes sense.

    The theory is that if she submits the impeachment documents to the senate, the trial will have huge amounts of authority to subpoena people. Meaning, they will make the trial all about subpoenaing the Bidens and everyone connected to them to drag their names into the mud over the Ukraine dealings.

    So she's waiting to see if Joe wins the primary first. If he wins, she will not submit the papers as that could severely hurt their chances to beating Trump. If he loses, she may or may not submit depending on her allegiance to the establishment dems.


    Fuck all of this.

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    Trump says U.S. would hit 52 Iranian sites if Iran attacks American targets
    https://news.yahoo.com/trump-says-u-...232633459.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drai View Post
    Doesn't your countries Congress have the sole authority to declare War? If these actions of Trumps leads to a war are there consequences for essentially bypassing Congressional authority? Or is this just more frowned on since the President has full military control?
    Our last president bombed a hospital and nothing happened. So no, no consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guartz View Post
    Our last president bombed a hospital and nothing happened. So no, no consequences.
    If this is what you’re talking about, seems like a lot of stuff came of it? I don’t understand what you consider “Nothing”?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kund...ital_airstrike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drai View Post
    If this is what you’re talking about, seems like a lot of stuff came of it? I don’t understand what you consider “Nothing”?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kund...ital_airstrike


    I wonder what farm guartz got that line of thinking from.

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    You guys still respond to guartz like he's having anything resembling an intelligent argument.

    I even checked into his r/iran shit and found nothing of substance relating to "Iranians are uber happy this guy is dead". It's literally just as divisive there as any other country, with most people saying "Yea nobody will miss that guy but we would have preferred to have been left alone p.s while we hate our government we hate America getting involved even more they've done enough".

    So yea, nobody is happy about this shit except shit-eating Trump diehards and Trump himself.

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    He's a fucking retard what else is new?

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    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50988743
    https://www.ces.tech/News/Press-Rele...f-1705be2e4383

    CES will have three representatives from the Trump administration; Ivanka Trump, US Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chao, & Donald's top technology adviser Michael Kratsios.

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    Um. Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuronosan View Post
    Um. Why?
    Ivanka watched the Theranos documentary on HBO and realized that she was missing her opportunity to fleece a lot of suckers in tech.

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    saw a poll indicating republican voters want junior and ivanka to run for president in 2024, jr polled decently close to pence in this particular one iirc

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    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps...e-intelligence

    I love that Fox has perfectly figured out just how stupid the modal American is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6souls View Post
    Trump says U.S. would hit 52 Iranian sites if Iran attacks American targets
    https://news.yahoo.com/trump-says-u-...232633459.html
    https://apnews.com/51ddb3630b257a686918c9610b31a50e

    If Trump actually orders strikes against targets he claims are of cultural importance, he will be committing war crimes.

    President Donald Trump tweeted Saturday evening that if Iran attacks any American assets to avenge the killing of a top Iranian general, the U.S. has 52 targets across the Islamic Republic that “WILL BE HIT VERY FAST AND VERY HARD.”

    Some are “important to Iran & Iranian culture,” Trump wrote on Twitter.

    “I’m not sure when he says cultural sites, does he for example mean our Persepolis?” said Mehrdad Khadir, a cultural and political analyst in Tehran, referring to the ancient ruins invaded by the Greeks in 330 BC. “Does he want to be seen as the new Alexander (the Great) by Iranians?”

    Targeting cultural sites is a war crime under the 1954 Hague Convention for the protection of cultural sites. The United Nations Security Council also passed unanimously a resolution in 2017 condemning the destruction of heritage sites. Attacks by the Islamic State group and other armed factions in Syria and Iraq prompted that vote.

    Trump’s tweet also caused concern in Washington. One U.S. national security official said Trump’s threat to target Iranian cultural sites had caught many in his administration off-guard and prompted calls for others in his government, including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, to clarify the matter. The official, who was not authorized to speak publicly to the issue, called such a clarification necessary to affirm that the U.S. military would not intentionally commit war crimes.
    https://apnews.com/8d3385ab6c29c3da3ab9b081bae53884

    Pompeo has announced that the U.S. military is shifting focus from targeting Iranian proxy forces to Iranian decision makers.

    Pompeo was explaining U.S. strategy in the aftermath of the U.S. drone strike that killed Iran’s most powerful general, Qassem Soleimani, who was mastermind of the country’s military operations outside Iran.

    In Beirut, Lebanon’s Hezbollah chief, Hassan Nasrallah, said the U.S. military in the region, including bases and warships, were fair targets after the killing of Soleimani. Hezbollah is a primary ally of Iran with broad influence. The U.S. has tens of thousands of troops throughout the region, including in Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar — all within range of Iran or its proxy militias.

    He said the U.S. had previously sought to “challenge and attack everybody who was running around with an AK-47 or a piece of indirect artillery. We’ve made a very different approach. We’ve told the Iranian regime, ‘Enough. You can’t get away with using proxy forces and think your homeland will be safe and secure.’ We’re going to respond against the actual decision-makers, the people who are causing this threat from the Islamic Republic of Iran.”

    In that context, Pompeo said that if the U.S. military were to strike inside Iran, in the event Iran retaliated against America for the Soleimani killing, those strikes would be legal under the laws of armed conflict.

    “Every target that we strike will be a lawful target, and it will be a target designed with a singular mission — defending and protecting America,” Pompeo said. He did not explicitly contradict Trump on targeting cultural sites. In insisting that any U.S. attacks will be legal, Pompeo said Trump “was getting to this point” without making it in his tweet Saturday.

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    Time to retcon a strategy around a bad decision

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    Sums up my dating life.

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    Gotta admit, assassinating a top official of a foreign government and then threatening to do war crimes with impunity if they retaliate is a smart move, if only there were no other countries on Earth who might now feel fine doing the same.

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