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    I will agree that execution was a big issue with this fight. One of the major issues, which might just be a product of the times is this fight is VERY hard if you don't use third party information. If you go by only the information the game gives you, even using hunter journal to full effect this fight will take you ages. They just tell you elemental damage. You won't unlock his weakness information until a couple fights in. The way they phrase it makes it sounds like his horns are his primary target. If you don't know how damage calculations work for elemental vs raw you won't even know what you're doing wrong when you're using a weak ice hammer and not doing enough. Not sure what else they could do besides flat out tell you after a fail or two "Use a strong amount of his weak element to stop his big attack, and break his horns to stop shifting elemental types."

    Overall I do like the fight, and I think once you know HOW to do it it's not that hard. But I also understand not everyone lurks on the reddit or watches youtube videos to figure out the exact science on how to fight him. He was something MHW has never really had in it's two years which is both a good thing and can be a bad thing. Elemental has always had a weird support system in this game.

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    I hate to keep playing devil's advocate because I do agree that the way they implemented it as instant party wipe was lazy to say the least, but it took the community all of 6 hours to figure out pretty much all of the mechanics of the fight. The game does actually give you the info you need to know without specifically spelling it out to you.

    And I'd guess at least 50% of the people who are far enough to realistically be doing this content will check online for info from the community in some form. Doesn't really take much for those people to inform the rest.

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    The game/Capcom not providing some kind of hint that weapons traditionally weak to applying elemental damage (like Great Sword) got a multiplier to the topple effect was a bit of a flub.

    Everyone was jumping on with the usual elemental builds, which paired up with Ala having amazing raw hitboxes but bad elemental ones likely made it an issue for the average.

    By the time I had a chance to fight it (yesterday), I saw some of the numbers and I just used my standard GS build but swapped out Lightbreak for a Kjarr GS, and was able to solo it np (ok well one fail while I was learning the moves)

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    I don't think the fight was initially as bad as I thought but yeah between needing to pass a DPS check which can be difficult for some weapons and breaking the horns it can make the fight rather annoying. For Lance I could break the horns easy but passing the elemental check was a complete pain. For dual blades I could pass the elemental DPS check easy but horns were difficult due to DBs short range and the rising attacks charging you forward a bit making it difficult to combo.

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    was able to give this thing my first hour of attempts and he has kicked my ass so far. with dbs im having trouble attacking his damn head. plus he seems to spend most of his time flying when in dragon element

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    I managed to get into an SOS group last night that was doing so much elemental damage, we broke him twice between explosions. Didn't seem to drop the damage a noticeable bit more, but we won at least. Only thing that is slightly disappointing about this whole thing is I have no idea what his armor set would even be used for.

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    I'm using 2pc Alatreon & 3pc Safi with Alatreon LBG and it's actually really nice. Definitely no real case for using more than what you'd need for the set bonuses though.

    Edit: One thing that I think people don't realize about Elemental Conversion is that it combines all of your resistances together to form a bonus, then applies it to all elements.

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    The gloves are dope as all hell for SA (just change out an attack enhancement from Safi weapon for Teo technique), and legs are good with a dragon element weapon + 4 piece silver los armor.

    As a set it's pretty booty though, just outright worse then what you could be doing with 5 piece Safi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyis. View Post
    was able to give this thing my first hour of attempts and he has kicked my ass so far. with dbs im having trouble attacking his damn head. plus he seems to spend most of his time flying when in dragon element
    This is basically why I went with LBG to solo him. DB reach sucks for the horn breaking and flying is just urgh.

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    got em. def annoying

    i like the dbs he gives, and the arms & legs are interesting.

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    If you used DBs any advice to hit his head? Triangle combo hits too low but the circle combo is wonky because the first move pushes you forward.

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    spin to win. the ending of the circle combo way the only way i could consistently hit its head. i was also pretty lucky that he seemed to get out of rage mode when he was flying so i would slinger burst him into the ground

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    I'm so paranoid about bursting him. Every time I try he seems to do something to throw me off or melt my temporal mantle in a single use.

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    His breath attack is a good opportunity to jump onto his head, it's like Velks where it won't hit you if you're grappled on.

    The lightning is a big gigantic no no tho, he has a constant hitbox on his horns while it's happening, and just shreds your health/temporal mantle. The lightning move is absolutely fantastic for GS tho, gives you plenty of time to line up and land a big ass TCS onto his dome

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    Yeah dragon sucks for this hunt. I’ve beat him with team of 4 DB Ice or Fire (depends on on event) quest less than 10 Minutes.

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    now that i'm playing multiplayer for this dude i've found the most success when i have wide range on. peeps get hit by errerything

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    If any of you dude still having problems here's some help:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunt...m_source=share

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Capcom say that getting Kulve weapons would be easier? Was trying to get the crit element LBGs but been feels like deja vu trying to get my crit lance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corrderio View Post
    crit element LBGs
    Y tho, they suck. Crit element just isn't good for light bowgun because math.

    And assuming you can kill it, Alatreon LBG is the best for Fire, Ice, and Thunder (and Safi for Water, tho honestly Alatreon is close enough if you want to be lazy, Lord knows I am)

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    Why get them now with Alatreon LBG out?

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