2020 Democratic Primary Clown Car Special III: 124 More Days of Bernie Refusing to Drop

[Cantih]

So, remind me again, just how much did Bloomberg bribe the DNC for to get assfucked on national television?

[Salodin]

So, remind me again, just how much did Bloomberg bribe the DNC for to get assfucked on national television?

Hes spent $400million so far. Plans to spend a total of $1billion, at least.

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[archibaldcrane]

And Steyer has spent 200M himself. I'm pretty sure those two are by far the most a candidate has ever spent of their own money on a political campaign before.

And we're two states deep in THE PRIMARY

[archibaldcrane]

Before this cycle, the most a candidate has self-funded was Rick Scott's 2018 Senate race in Florida, where he narrowly won after spending 64M.

Steyer has tripled that. Bloomberg is up over 6x.

[Andalusian girls]

What he described was the single payer system, he just used the nomenclature everyone on the campaign trail has been.

[Zealot]

See this is why we're not granting you the rank of Master.

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[Byrthnoth]

I found the John Oliver bit uncompelling because he glossed over all of the plan's weaknesses and focused on the endstate.

M4A vs. public option vs. repeal Obamacare are the real walls of the rhetorical policy debate, but if we limit it to the Democratic candidates' proposals then we are actually just talking about two paths to get to government-supplied healthcare. M4A is a paradigm shift where we break the current system and rebuild it, while public option is a more incremental and thus less potentially disastrous option.

If you do a public option with aggressive progressive income-based subsidies, the only people who end up uninsured are idiots. If the subsidies are best spent on public option because the bureaucracy has its shit together and the lack of administrative overhead provides better coverage for less money, people will spend their subsidy on the public option. As it picks up market share, it can negotiate prices down and shit snowballs to a virtual monopoly.

The real reason to support M4A is that Republicans can sabotage the administration of the public option before it gains that critical mass and make sure it never works. If they fuck with M4A, lots of grandparents die. However, the implementation of M4A may be fucked even without interference and you know they will message it as a bureaucratic failure even if they caused it.

M4A is basically a higher risk strategy that will either be permanent in a decade or repealed. Public option is more gradual and less dangerous, but it would probably take longer for it to become dominant.

[archibaldcrane]

If you aren't doing all-payer rate setting across all medical services, you aren't doing enough. Klob and Biden and Buttigieg don't do this, so fuck'em.

[Byrthnoth]

I don't know if the federal government has the legal authority to do all payer rate setting. Do we really think it would hold up upon appeal to this Supreme Court?

Better to become a monopoly and set the price that way. This Supreme Court loves monopolies.

[Athas]

I've come around to the thinking that a public option would never be allowed to coexist with private insurance as the continuing fucking of the ACA seems to have proved.

[archibaldcrane]

I don't know if the federal government has the legal authority to do all payer rate setting. Do we really think it would hold up upon appeal to this Supreme Court?

Better to become a monopoly and set the price that way. This Supreme Court loves monopolies.

Interstate commerce clause is all knowing and all powerful

[Zealot]

Just tell the court someone is growing their own health care and keeping the amount they need.

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[Gredival]

Just tell the court someone is growing their own health care and keeping the amount they need.

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For those that don't get the reference, SCOTUS' conservative justices found that growing your own weed affected interstate commerce and was within the reach of the commerce clause at one point right before they decided that a billion dollar industry didn't affect interstate commerce on the ACA case.

[Zealot]

Oh also that but I was referencing the subsistence farming case from way back in the day.

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[Zealot]

The (illegal) drug trade being part of interstate commerce is too good a reference though, pretend I meant that one the whole time.

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[Kaslo]

Oh also that but I was referencing the subsistence farming case from way back in the day.

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The case that made me realize I’m a little bit states rights at heart lol

[Tarage]

The case that made me realize I’m a little bit states rights at heart lol

States Rights, unless they aren't doing what we want them to do.

[Kaslo]

States Rights, unless they aren't doing what we want them to do.

It's funny that I'm an environmental lawyer and I agreed with Scalia's opinion in SWANCC.

[6souls]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...oan-in-january

Warren's campaign secured a $3M loan in January, but have only used $400k of it.

[6souls]

Bloomberg announced that he is releasing 3 accusers from their NDA's to speak of their harassment.