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    and let me guess you get to decide who is smart and stupid lmao

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    Well we're not gonna let the stupid people decide what's stupid

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    guess you're out then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gredival View Post
    Raw intellectual capability is innate and fixed.

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    rough, i was hoping for a flowers for algernon deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gredival View Post
    Raw intellectual capability is innate and fixed. My point was merely that day is mistaking my elitism as economic elitism, which is false.

    It's not that I don't think poor people shouldn't get to vote. It's that I don't think dumb people should.
    except it isn't.

    there are dozens of non-genetic factors that drastically affect your iq. among those reasons is your at-home intellectual environment and the education you grew up with, both of which are highly affected by your economic status at every stage of your life

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    Okay but what about the boomers who tried to riot at the capitol? Surely it's too late for them, cut our losses, etc.

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    you get dumber with age. just dont let old people vote, problem solved

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    Is it solved rhyis

    Is it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Day View Post
    and let me guess you get to decide who is smart and stupid lmao
    Yes, let me show you how easy it to accomplish this

    All those Q folks? Stupid. Voting rights revoked.

    And that’s just step one!

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    sounds kinda authoritarian boss

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salodin View Post
    Is it solved rhyis

    Is it

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    are old people even people anyway. these are the questions i ask myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zealot View Post
    Juanita Tolliver and Zerlina Maxwell are two of the most attractive women I've ever seen.

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    They're ok.

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    Well, better than ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gredival View Post
    Raw intellectual capability is innate and fixed.
    False.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyis. View Post
    except it isn't.

    there are dozens of non-genetic factors that drastically affect your iq. among those reasons is your at-home intellectual environment and the education you grew up with, both of which are highly affected by your economic status at every stage of your life
    I'm not saying that the same person, X, experimentally raised in two different environments with different resources were intellectually tested and compared that their different environmental factors wouldn't affect their performance.

    I'm saying that person X has a ceiling of potential, Y. Reaching Y is a matter of time, resources, effort, etc. But Y is fixed and no amount of money is going to let X push past Y to reach intelligence rating Z.

    A significant amount of poor people will not reach their intellectual ceilings due to a lack of resources. But there are significant amounts of people living in poverty who, despite not having the resources to reach their ceilings, are much smarter than more wealthy persons. Because their natural-born ceilings are much higher.

    Intellectual elitism may have a correlation with economic elitism, but they are not one in the same. In fact, persons born with all the advantages of wealth who still end up dumb are more worthy of contempt than those who simply has the misfortune of being born dumb.

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    i see gred doubling down on being wrong hasn't gone away

    the flynn effect is the literal opposite of what you have described. both the floor, and ceiling, of intelligence in 1st world countries across the world have gone up by a dozen or whatever points across the board from 100 years ago

    if what you described were the case, our great great great grand pappies would have a chance to be more intelligent than us... they didn't. even the most intelligent of our ancestors were all morons in comparison to your average person nowadays

    iq tests have been around since the early 1900s and if we all took one of those test without the standard deviation that's implemented on our current test now we'd all score 100+. every single one of us. it's just how it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gredival View Post
    I'm not saying that the same person, X, experimentally raised in two different environments with different resources were intellectually tested and compared that their different environmental factors wouldn't affect their performance.

    I'm saying that person X has a ceiling of potential, Y. Reaching Y is a matter of time, resources, effort, etc. But Y is fixed and no amount of money is going to let X push past Y to reach intelligence rating Z.

    A significant amount of poor people will not reach their intellectual ceilings due to a lack of resources. But there are significant amounts of people living in poverty who, despite not having the resources to reach their ceilings, are much smarter than more wealthy persons. Because their natural-born ceilings are much higher.

    Intellectual elitism may have a correlation with economic elitism, but they are not one in the same. In fact, persons born with all the advantages of wealth who still end up dumb are more worthy of contempt than those who simply has the misfortune of being born dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyis. View Post

    the flynn effect is the literal opposite of what you have described. both the floor, and ceiling, of intelligence in 1st world countries across the world have gone up by a dozen or whatever points across the board from 100 years ago

    if what you described were the case, our great great great grand pappies would have a chance to be more intelligent than us... they didn't. even the most intelligent of our ancestors were all morons in comparison to your average person nowadays
    Doesn't disprove shit. The resource availability 100 years ago means that very few, if any, people reached their ceiling. Doesn't disprove the existence of an actual ceiling or that those ceilings exist regardless of wealth.

    Potential is innate. Other things are necessary to reach one's full potential, and wealth correlates very well with the availability of those things, but money can't fix stupid. Trump is a perfect example of that.

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    imagine quadrupling down against 100+ years of scientific data that says your wrong


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