Police Reform - Don't Be A Karen About It

[Melena]

Which is honestly a damn shame it is now classified as a racist symbol, or racists are now using that flag as a symbol to spew their hatred.

What's more amazing/frustrating/downright retarded is the amount of law enforcement who thinks The Punisher is a damn role model to them. I personally think that's even worse then the flag imo.

[jmc]

What's more amazing/frustrating/downright retarded is the amount of law enforcement who thinks The Punisher is a damn role model to them. I personally think that's even worse then the flag imo.

Or my personal favorite, the ones who have a certain transformer quote on their POVs. Seen that a lot


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[Melena]

Oh god, please tell me they aren't using Till All Are One or One Shall Stand, One Shall Fall. I haven't seen this yet and it already makes me want to bang my head against the wall.

[Garaku]

[jmc]

I’ve seen both


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[Melena]

Oh god. Remind me if I see any of my old co-workers at the sheriff's office with that to bitch slap them up their head

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[NotGreyheim]

Three officers terminated after it's discovered they're racists. 'Discovered' means they accidentally left a dash cam on, got caught on it being racist dicks, and no one could ignore it any longer.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-racist-rants/
https://www.wect.com/2020/06/24/live...ference-today/

All three were 20+ year vets.

Late to the dance, but of course it's NC... Goddamnit

[Byrthnoth]

So I've thought for a long time that police departments were simultaneously underresourced, overcommitted, and underqualified, stretching themselves too thin to deal with problems that they really should not have been near. I also thought and still think that if the state holds a monopoly on the legitimation of violence, then it will always need agents for that purpose and we might as well call those violence regulators the police.

However, the protests made it fairly clear to me that there are two additional problems that I was giving them the benefit of the doubt on:
1) Police unions are clearly toxic. I have read a lot of articles at this point about how bad they are and the rebuttal pieces lack any substantive examples of how they make the world better. They appear to be pure moral hazard with no upside.
2) They don't seem to take their responsibilities seriously. We think of judges as fairly staid dispensers of justice, but arguably a policeman should be even more stoic and even-tempered because they have to make judgments in real time with peoples' lives on the line. It has become apparent that is not even close to the culture.

The police have probably never lived up to their responsibilities, but at this point there's a PR problem that prevents the police from recruiting people that can live up to the standards that the job requires. Perhaps rebranding the police as the policia, recruiting different people, and using the reset to build a different culture is actually necessary as the quickest way through this problem.


On a broader note about costs, it would be a lot less fucking expensive to hire adults with functioning prefrontal cortices if we had social programs that kept kids from going hungry or living in undue stress. The potential we waste every year not providing goddamned food to children is criminal.

[Tarage]

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/07/...l-senate-vote/

[jmc]

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/07/...l-senate-vote/

We have about 300-400 officers eligible to retire in Boston.

It’s about to get real interesting.


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[guartz]

Interesting note: Libertarians have been against police unions, well federal employee unions in general but especially police since the party's conception. Libertarian party has also pushed for less violent police interventions since the party's conception to be more in line with the party's core tenant of "non aggression principle".

This may have all changed under Johnson, I don't really know the man infuriates me so I don't really follow official libertarian stances anymore.

[BerenTebogo]

Interesting note: Libertarians have been against police unions, well federal employee unions in general but especially police since the party's conception. Libertarian party has also pushed for less violent police interventions since the party's conception to be more in line with the party's core tenant of "non aggression principle".

This may have all changed under Johnson, I don't really know the man infuriates me so I don't really follow official libertarian stances anymore.

Oh

[6souls]

Oh

Gary Johnson is still a man, but is not the current candidate. Jo Jorgenson is who is currently running and is anti-police as she recently sought the Boog vote.

[6souls]

https://twitter.com/MPRnews/status/1285531258970230785

https://twitter.com/MPRnews/status/1285531791663575040

https://twitter.com/MPRnews/status/1285532191611449345

[Tomiko]

Just saw this posted on Reddit:

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/inve...-timpa-s-life/

It's from 2016, but apparently never gained much traction.

Edit: It did get covered, but the body cam footage didn't come out until last year.

[Mrf]

Just saw this posted on Reddit:

It's from 2016, but apparently never gained much traction.

Edit: It did get covered, but the body cam footage didn't come out until last year.

I live in the DFW area, it didn't get a ton of press even locally. Not a minority, not a worthwhile story for news / outrage.

[Lokus]

I remember when that story first came about. It was posted here maybe or at least on Reddit where I first saw it. Lot of pissed off people in the comments but also a good amount of people defending the cops.

[6souls]

Just saw this posted on Reddit:

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/inve...-timpa-s-life/

It's from 2016, but apparently never gained much traction.

Edit: It did get covered, but the body cam footage didn't come out until last year.

The right was using this incident as a whatabout early on during the Floyd protests. A Dallas news site brought it up, probably that one, a week after George was killed as an example of it happening before in Texas. The police suppressed the footage and Dallas never did rise up over it. It's funny seeing the right be mad over this, but didn't give a fuck when the footage was released.

[Lokus]

They certainly didn't give a fuck when Daniel Shaver got murked in that hotel hallway either. Cop was acquitted, rehired in a bs position just long enough to qualify for pension then medically retired while the other offending officer conveniently moved to the Philippines.

[Vaspinne]

Meanwhile, in Canada

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...ated-1.5662162

Ottawa's police chief says other social service workers need to be integrated with the local force so they can help respond to calls in which police don't have expertise, especially those involving mental health.