{COVID-19} Rona Isn't Going Away IV: Quarantine long enough and ducks become fucks

[archibaldcrane]

Like baseball and basketball season would have been going full bore in full stadiums.

If everyone got the Moderna vaccine why not

We would obviously still engage in transmission risk mitigation until the picture is clear though.

[mallister]

This is dumb, and you should feel bad for even bringing it up. We dont operate with magic foresight. I have a couple of divorces I'd never have dealt with if we did.

[NynJa]

People cant put on a mask and social distance without crying "BUT MUH FREEDOMSSSSSSS" in November 2020, you think they would have taken a rushed out vaccine back in February for covid, a virus that had less than 3000 deaths worldwide?
Thats some serious revisionist history.

[Byrthnoth]

To detour us off of this convo, could we design and scale up immunoreactivity tests for COVID so we can assay whether the vaccine granted people immunity?

There is a chance that we never hit high enough vaccination rates to reopen generally, but even in that situation many of the individuals who received the vaccine may be 100% immune and just not know it. Voluntarily testing for it biannually or something sounds reasonable and would let a lot of people go back to BAU.

[archibaldcrane]

People cant put on a mask and social distance without crying "BUT MUH FREEDOMSSSSSSS" in November 2020, you think they would have taken a rushed out vaccine back in February for covid, a virus that had less than 3000 deaths worldwide?
Thats some serious revisionist history.

Some would, especially people in high risk occupations. As it proved safe and effective (and the virus got way worse over a couple months), way more would've.

As it stands still nobody has been vaccinated.

[kuronosan]

To detour us off of this convo, could we design and scale up immunoreactivity tests for COVID so we can assay whether the vaccine granted people immunity?

There is a chance that we never hit high enough vaccination rates to reopen generally, but even in that situation many of the individuals who received the vaccine may be 100% immune and just not know it. Voluntarily testing for it biannually or something sounds reasonable and would let a lot of people go back to BAU.

That's definitely possible, and quite easy to do already. The question is do those antibodies indicate immunity or recovery?

[synistar]

The subdivision of my company where I'm employed is developing antibody detection kits. We already make products for other antibody detection and monitoring. About all I can say about it though since I'm not really in the R&D area and all those ethics of "Can't divulge any company information that isn't publicly available."

[Salodin]

There's a reason we don't make untested medicine widely available archi. Just cause hindsight is 20/20 doesn't mean we should have blindly innoculated millions with an untested vaccine.

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[Mertron]

If Hillary had just gone to the midwest and won the 2016 election we'd have had 100k less deaths.

I say we lock her up.

this was the only good post on this page

[archibaldcrane]

There's a reason we don't make untested medicine widely available archi. Just cause hindsight is 20/20 doesn't mean we should have blindly innoculated millions with an untested vaccine.

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Testing for "safe enough relative to a global pandemic" safety is pretty quick and easy.

Efficacy testing is what takes time, time we should've spent mass producing and making it available.

[Salodin]

Testing for "safe enough relative to a global pandemic" safety is pretty quick and easy.

Efficacy testing is what takes time, time we should've spent mass producing and making it available.

Again, hindsight is 20/20

thalidomide type disasters miss us cause we're careful with medicine, especially when our high deaths are partly to blame cause of poor leadership in the crisis, not a lack of knowledge on how to mitigate risks.

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[archibaldcrane]

Our failure to be more proactive with vaccination is a much, much larger disaster than thalidomide.

And having poor leadership is yet another point in the column of "push vaccine administration harder"

[Salodin]

Hindsight is 20/20

I prefer my vaccines properly tested before rolled out to all Americans tyvm

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[Byrthnoth]

I am used to abusing the immune system for molecular biology reasons but don't know much about the normal cascades there. Antibody immunoreactivity measures might be the lowest hanging fruit but idk if they are what we should actually measure.

People that do know should come up with a list of candidates, we should test for all of them (at least initially) post-vaccination, and then we should see who gets COVID.

[Andalusian girls]

But this thread is really putting a fine point on the expression "one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic".

more so the Dunning–Kruger effect

[NynJa]

I think Archi took an early trial vaccine and it gifted him the gift of hindsight

[NynJa]

or lowered his intelligence, idk

[kuronosan]

Well what he's suggesting isn't wrong from a certain standpoint but it's just not practical.

There's a reason we don't rush treatments out when they're efficacious.

[archibaldcrane]

We rushed out a number of treatments of dubious efficacy during this exact pandemic lol

[Byrthnoth]

Dubious efficacy and safety when we have a growing anri-science / anti-vax movement and need complete or near-complete adherence to vaccination recommendations to have a shot at returning to BAU in the next two years.

Your idea was dumb and if you don't understand why then you are dumb.